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Balance, spectral analysis, mixing

MuckyPuh
IsraTrance Junior Member

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Posted : Oct 12, 2012 09:38:56

Hey there °

recently i have been playing my tracks in traktor and i noticed that in the spectral wave view they are mostly red all the time... normal tracks are just red when there is just kick and bass playing - and as soon as more elements come in the colors become more light. My mixing was also not good balanced and kick and bass where way to loud compared to the rest so i put down the volume of kick/bass a bit but its still quite red ..

have a look:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/zcaeyltxf6msr7a/traktor.tiff

(mine on the left )

and have a listen :
https://www.dropbox.com/s/u7o0w1km92dko8o/journey%20abyyysss%20neumix222.mp3

what do you think ? on my speakers the balance between low and high sounds good now - but the view in traktor says differnt.. maybe it will also look different after mastering when things are compressed a bit more ...

i also tryed some programm called spek to anylize the spectrum and it looks like i have put a highcut filter on mostly every channel at 16khz ... (which i did not.. )

screenshot spek mytrack :
https://www.dropbox.com/s/j2lxnoup8y0kg83/journey%20abyyysss%20neumix.tiff

screenshot spek the other track:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/hmv1d9qdo6jrtx8/03-Electro_Sun_-_On_Air-ja.tiff

i also compared it to many other tracks in spek and also many pro tracks seem to have this cutoff line at 16khz .. not as heavy as my tune but still ... so what is this about ? and why does the other track even go up to 22 khz all the time ?

maybe someone can light me up a bit

http://www.muckymusic.blogspot.de/
http://soundcloud.com/muckypuh-muckymusic

Babaluma
IsraTrance Junior Member

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Posted : Oct 12, 2012 14:27

so, how does it SOUND?

haha!

ok, stop looking and start using your ears. how does it sound in comparison to the other track, better or worse?

if you are "looking" at .mp3's, they'll mostly have a very steep LPF at 16kHz, so that's a daed giveaway that it was maybe an .mp3 at some stage.

you have energy up to 22.05kHz with some files because that's the Nyquist Frequency (half) of the sampling rate, 44.1kHz. If you didn't have sharp LPF's in your converters here, you'd be able to hear all sorts of ugly aliasing noise.

many people can't hear above 16kHz anyway, so a lot of it is academic...

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MuckyPuh
IsraTrance Junior Member

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Posted : Oct 12, 2012 19:04

well - like i said on my speakers it sounds good to me ..

compared with the other track it has still more bass in it ... and both files are mp3

i know about the nyquist frequency - but i was wondering why this one album is having the spectrum all filed out up to 22 khz while other tracks usualy stop earlier .. and how this was made ... i guess some kind of exciter must have been used during mastering ... or something similar ..

in theory when you are born u should be able to hear up to 20 khz more or less and you loose 1 khz / decade

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Babaluma
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Posted : Oct 12, 2012 21:46

the track has spectral energy up that high because components of the mix have spectral energy up that high. probably the hi hats/cymbals/percussion. it's not always necessary to HPF and LPF every single element of a mix.

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MuckyPuh
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Posted : Oct 16, 2012 17:37

that was my question - if he did build the song this way or if this was added later on in the process .. because i have not used nearly any high cuts in my mix and still the spectrum stops at 16 khz ... i dont think its the percs and hats as they are not through out the whole song and you would have to process them to get them up that high .. maybe its all the pads and athmospheric sounds in which my track lacks compared to the other one.

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Alien Bug
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Posted : Oct 17, 2012 02:10

if this is mp3 files its just an encoder question. when you convert to mp3 you can use many different settings, so sometimes encoder cut @16kHz and sometimes not

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MuckyPuh
IsraTrance Junior Member

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Posted : Oct 17, 2012 09:34

WOOW!!! u are right !! i checked it with the wave file and the spectral energy goes up to 22 khz !!!

very good to know

- thx

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