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Sonica
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Posted : Dec 3, 2008 09:29
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..sonnox eq isn't very good for individual tracks (imo).
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what would you recommend for bass lines then? gliss? |
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Nectarios
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Posted : Dec 3, 2008 09:54
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On 2008-12-03 06:13, Upavas wrote:
Kane,
it does sound like the q factor is his problem...
the more poles you use in your highpass filter, the more frequency bump. say you have a high pass around 40hz that has a -18 db curve, everything just above 40hz, say up to 50 hz gets louder, due to the fact that you use such a steep cutoff. Better use a low resonance and maybe high pass at a little higher frequency to compensate. Or notch the frequency gain out...
They don't call it resonance (or q) for nothing...
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Same here. If the EQ plug in has a nice visual representation of the curves and real time spectrum analysis of the part you are processing, take a good look to see that the high pass filter does not raise any gain bumps at the cut off frequency.
Other than that sweep a sine wave down there (you're gonna have to have really good speakers to check the 20Hz-40Hz region) to see if your monitoring position is not at the peak of some big standing wave created in your room that is leading you to believe that there is a massive sub lump that is not really in your mix, but is simply an artifact of imperfect room acoustics.
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makus
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Posted : Dec 3, 2008 10:04
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waves q series is really good for cutting things. waves veq series is cool if you need to add some frequencies.
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Kane
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Posted : Dec 3, 2008 10:06
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Excluding UAD/Liquid Mix, I would recommend Linear Phase Lowband for transparent bass cuts or HydraTone for a colored sound.
Just preference though..if you like Sonnox more, keep using it. 
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Sonica
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Posted : Dec 3, 2008 10:28
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On 2008-12-03 09:54, pipe&slippers wrote:
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On 2008-12-03 06:13, Upavas wrote:
Kane,
it does sound like the q factor is his problem...
the more poles you use in your highpass filter, the more frequency bump. say you have a high pass around 40hz that has a -18 db curve, everything just above 40hz, say up to 50 hz gets louder, due to the fact that you use such a steep cutoff. Better use a low resonance and maybe high pass at a little higher frequency to compensate. Or notch the frequency gain out...
They don't call it resonance (or q) for nothing...
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Same here. If the EQ plug in has a nice visual representation of the curves and real time spectrum analysis of the part you are processing, take a good look to see that the high pass filter does not raise any gain bumps at the cut off frequency.
Other than that sweep a sine wave down there (you're gonna have to have really good speakers to check the 20Hz-40Hz region) to see if your monitoring position is not at the peak of some big standing wave created in your room that is leading you to believe that there is a massive sub lump that is not really in your mix, but is simply an artifact of imperfect room acoustics.
Peace out.
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could be. |
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Upavas
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Posted : Dec 3, 2008 10:31
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Kane
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Posted : Dec 3, 2008 10:43
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Upavas, I know what you're saying..I just doubt that what he's describing is actually filter resonance. I don't think he would ask how to avoid "resonance" if there's a visible resonant peak in his bass channel EQ's HPF.
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Sonica
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Posted : Dec 3, 2008 10:46
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its a change in the tonality,buts sound like rez but not. |
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gutter
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Posted : Dec 3, 2008 11:34
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it absolutely logical , same here whenever i high pass the bottom end frequencies push the others and the 50-60Hz region become more audible, but i keep on thinking that the best way is indeed to leave these frequencies alone except you have huge peaks or something , or use some gently shelving filtering mentioned above
btw i use sonnox very often too, if you use a 6db high pass you wont hear those peaks so much , as more you go to 12db or 18db, the push on those lows become bigger so there are audible peaks , but again those peaks maybe are not "bleeding" if you watch them on a spectrum analyzer they are just heard and are more clean, sometimes this is very desirable to distinguish the freq.
the art of balance is endless 
(not to mention again room acoustics, which is the HUGEST factor in whatever you do in there, especially eqing, which terrifies myself too, cause i never have exactly the "ideal" and neutral view on what im doing, youre always around, almost never at "the spot", except you are "golden ear" boy maybe)
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Sonica
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Posted : Dec 3, 2008 11:50
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wise words glutter |
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gutter
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Posted : Dec 3, 2008 11:54
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Dec 3, 2008 20:22
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Sonica
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Posted : Dec 3, 2008 21:14
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gutter soz, hmmm well nothins perfect oood, not at the mo anyways. |
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Elad
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Posted : Dec 4, 2008 02:48
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thnx colin obvious....
sonox looks very much OK
sonica im not on my computer then sorry i cant upload example
but its easy to uderstand
open waves Q 10
make the first filter HP , it comes with no options just 12db filter. Q wont do anything.
now repeat the process with more filters (in that same Q 10 , no.2 no.3 etc)
u can have them all on same point to get the "48db filter" if u use 4 bands.. sometimes i use even more.. but i rather to cut one time @ 31hz and another @ 50hz for example of bass... for other sounds lets say i remove 80hz to get rid of sub and then again @ 150hz to reduce bass as well but not all the way.. it will still lower the subs even more tho.. some sort of surgical cleaning www.sattelbattle.com
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Kane
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Posted : Dec 4, 2008 04:54
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On 2008-12-03 20:22, Colin OOOD wrote:
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On 2008-12-03 10:06, Kane wrote:
Excluding UAD/Liquid Mix, I would recommend Linear Phase Lowband for transparent bass cuts.
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Here is an EQ test (aka a bunch of JPEGs of spectrum analysis of various EQ plugins all doing the same kind of thing) I did which will hopefully show why I advise staying well away from Waves LinEQ Lowband for hipass filtering.
http://www.sendspace.com/file/7oetcx
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Yeah I've seen comparisons like this before..I used to use lineq lowband for basslines in Cubase over a year ago just because it was lighter than any of my broadband eqs, but never as a HPF. I've just been using the native EQs in Live and Logic for individual tracks recently. The only serious problem I have with Waves plugins is with most of their compressors..
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