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aciduss
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Posted : Apr 2, 2011 01:00
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Well that is some extremist pov... 192 surely sounds crappy.
I don't have the time for this kind of testing right now but i might do it someday soon. |
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willsanquil
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Posted : Apr 2, 2011 01:08
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Surely?
Until you do the tests yourself, I wouldn't be so hasty 
IDK, I only use VBR/320/FLAC anyways. People just hate on MP3s unnecessarily and I think it's funny because none of the people who do it have run the tests themselves. At least that I've met or talked to on here.
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Midnight Sun
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Posted : Apr 2, 2011 01:14
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On 2011-04-02 00:54, willsanquil wrote:
Your 'common fact' has been rebuked many, many times by actual experts - I am not one of them, but I trust their opinion. I also get the same results as them. Just because you think something makes logical sense does not make it a 'common fact' - it may in fact be a misconception that you have that you haven't bothered checking into properly.
Are you telling me that you have run the above posted test and come out with over 20/30 correct?
If so, I concede that you can tell the difference and congratulations to you.
Until then, I remain confident that human beings cannot detect the difference between a 320 mp3 and a Wav - I can't even tell the difference between 240 and Wav, and probably 192 as well.
As bandarlog said, this whole thing is pretty pointless.
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I agree with you.
@ TimeTraveller plese read the thread befor posting stupid things.
The point here is to discuss facts not random things..
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PoM
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Posted : Apr 2, 2011 01:17
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my throlling attempt about expensive balanced cables in a audio myth thread failed ! 
i have some cd that sound better than their 192 downaloded version but it s cause of how it have been encoded, for file size... depending the source if you use lame at highest quality it s very close to the original even at 192 |
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willsanquil
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Posted : Apr 2, 2011 01:19
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Oh I totally almost wrote out something on that dude, if I hadn't got distracted by Timetraveler I probably would have posted it
Though it was more like a wtf r u srs and less like an actual response as I don't know shit about cables o.O
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Locrian
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Posted : Apr 2, 2011 03:11
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Hearing a difference between a 320 mp3 and a wav is ngh impossible even on a insanely high end system. I've taken part in a blind test on the subject myself and I couldn't hear any difference. 192 I heard a very slight difference in one song but not in another. 128 I clearly heard in both songs we tested.
Another thing we did was to listen to the sound that gets chucked in the mp3 encoding. You can do this by making an mp3 of a wav then playing both at the same level and inverting the phase of the mp3. The inverted mp3 cancels out all except the sound that has been lost in the compression and you can actually listen to the information that's lost. At 320 is just a faint clicking at some transients while you can almost make out some things of the song at 128 and lower.
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aciduss
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Posted : Apr 2, 2011 05:05
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What about the low frequencies lost? how do you think they affect the bass? |
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dreadieg
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Posted : Apr 2, 2011 09:56
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over many-a-tests, i still like wavs....
on monitor, decent sized PA, small PA, car sound and regular speakers......
maybe i'm imagining it..... but still, i likes it better... |
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willsanquil
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Posted : Apr 2, 2011 10:02
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Don't mean to be nitpicky, but did you test using the above mentioned method or something similar?
I "like" Flacs better than 320 mp3s, but that has nothing to do with my ability to differentiate between the two...and you mentioned tests and I'm curious as to your method and result
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Mike A
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Posted : Apr 2, 2011 10:48
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On 2011-04-01 14:27, Elad wrote:
the blind test someone did here 2 years ago prooved most on this forum does not
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That someone was me.
Too bad I deleted the files.
Did a bunch of wav-mp3 comparisons with various real tracks. No one could tell the difference.
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daark
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Posted : Apr 2, 2011 12:24
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chans
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Posted : Apr 4, 2011 15:52
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how many of us have been to parties (usually indoors)where the opening dj plays somethin good but u still feel that theres somethin missing. and when the main act/artist kicks in, suddenly there's a rise in the energy levels and the music alongwith the crowd comes to life???? well it COULD be psychological but the actual difference lies in the quality of the music and not the person. yes, the average person is not capable of telling the difference but subconsciously, he/she is definitely enjoying the wavs more than mp3s. this has happened with me once, when i was opening for tamir (atomic pulse) and the first thing he told me after my set was 'ure a good dj, but avoid using mp3s'. i was using all 320 kbps but he could tell the difference instantly |
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PoM
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Posted : Apr 4, 2011 16:10
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thaths not mp3 ,thats production , a small eq cut/boost will affect more the sound than wav to mp3 well encoded for example.
320 on a pa well encoded lol , none can tell the difference, it s not possible ,first you need to hear the wav on the same pa at exalty the same volume and beeing at the same place to get a valid reference. moving few meters will have more effect on the sound i guess.
i never did real test except here when we tried it , lame at highest quality and 320 sound very close that none could tell ,even 192 if i remember...it might depends the tracks too and i would still play wav and i buy only in wav to be sure there is no compromise.
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mk47
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Posted : Apr 4, 2011 16:29
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On 2011-04-04 15:52, chans wrote:
how many of us have been to parties (usually indoors)where the opening dj plays somethin good but u still feel that theres somethin missing. and when the main act/artist kicks in, suddenly there's a rise in the energy levels and the music alongwith the crowd comes to life???? well it COULD be psychological but the actual difference lies in the quality of the music and not the person. yes, the average person is not capable of telling the difference but subconsciously, he/she is definitely enjoying the wavs more than mp3s. this has happened with me once, when i was opening for tamir (atomic pulse) and the first thing he told me after my set was 'ure a good dj, but avoid using mp3s'. i was using all 320 kbps but he could tell the difference instantly
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thats probably some extra off the rig for the main act , nobody can tell mp3s apart , only by looking hehe , Mon Petite <3 !
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Shiranui
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Posted : Apr 4, 2011 17:27
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I know trance tends to sound bad indoors because the ceiling causes the highs to sound very harsh/"shriek"-like
Perhaps main acts know this and pick their tracks/mix them to compensate? |
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