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Uedi
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Posted : Oct 6, 2009 22:54:21
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Axis Mundi
Axis Mundi
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Posted : Oct 6, 2009 23:29
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I'm interested to see what people have to say about this thread.
My questions:
Which version of Cubase and which version of Live were used?
Was that the same MIDI file used on each test in the demo? (They look different to me.)
I've heard lots of people said that Live 8's sound engine is inferior to Cubase. On the other hand, I've heard some great things by artists using Live, and there seem to be a lot of them in the psy scene.
The Cubase versus Live question intrigues me, and I'm excited to hear what others have to say.
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Uedi
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Posted : Oct 6, 2009 23:37
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Cubase SX3 and Ableton Live 8.
Midi pattern is the same, I think!
Lead 7 from a Nuborn pack.
I'm curious too.
I really would like people to post more comparisons.
I absolutelly LOVE Live as a production tool!
But the best possible quality on synths and leads is very important! |
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0hz
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Posted : Oct 7, 2009 00:19
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the person who did that comparison is probably not a smart one...or he did something to deliberately fuck up the comparison in cubase favor....
ableton live 8 and cubase have the same export quality when it comes to single tracks or vsti.
also FL, studio one, Logic....etc they all have the same export quality when it comes to single tracks... if you want to test the daw engine you need the engine to work, move faders insert fx....you know....mix shit...
heres a 1 min comparison i did, live 8 vs cubase 5, using the same synth, same preset. but i used a different midi file from the same Nuborn pack.
http://i35.tinypic.com/10ghgxx.jpg
http://i35.tinypic.com/2w3x2z4.jpg
http://www.sendspace.com/file/xa6a48
also 44.1 24 bit.
the sound quality is identical! if you see a difference in the wave forms its because the minimoog has a free running oscillator.
uedi : why didnt you run the comparison your self befor posting this? |
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Uedi
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Posted : Oct 7, 2009 00:48
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I didn't run the test because I don't have Cubase!
And the person who did this test is also a Live's user.
I believe the test where in no favour of any of the DAWs.
There's some topics about this on the forum.
It would be really good to prove that they all sound the same (or not!)
OhZ - Why your waveforms are so different from the ones of the test?
Did you use any kind of FX on it? |
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0hz
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Posted : Oct 7, 2009 02:21
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no fx, no volume change no nothing. just loaded the synth and selected the preset. |
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Uedi
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Posted : Oct 7, 2009 02:31
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Does the render quality depends on the soundcard?
Or just the playback?
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Axis Mundi
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Posted : Oct 7, 2009 17:12
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So at what point does Ableton's rendering begin to get inferior, assuming the same situations given above yet through rendering multiple channels?
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0hz
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Posted : Oct 7, 2009 20:25
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On 2009-10-07 02:31, Uedi wrote:
Does the render quality depends on the soundcard?
Or just the playback?
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sound card doesn't affect the render quality because the rendering happens in side the box.
but the sound card does affect the playback mainly because of the d/a converters, the better the converters the better the sound quality that comes out of your speakers.
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On 2009-10-07 17:12, Axis Mundi wrote:
So at what point does Ableton's rendering begin to get inferior, assuming the same situations given above yet through rendering multiple channels?
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i cant say anything about ableton 8 because i didnt do a proper test, but from what i experienced ableton 8 sound engine is top notch.
i did do a test on ableton 6 some time ago, and the results where not very good. but from what i hear so far ableton 8 engine is very good. |
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Axis Mundi
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Posted : Oct 7, 2009 22:08
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How would you say it stacks against Cubase 5, nowadays, in your opinion? Do you know of any current articles which talk about this? (All the articles I googled seem to be written pre-Ableton 8.)
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0hz
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Posted : Oct 8, 2009 02:14
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i really cant say....if i had to choose to mix in ableton or cubase, i would go with cubase but thats just because i know cubase will produce a good quality mix.
i didnt test ableton 8 properly because its a time consuming test.
there is a lot of discussion on that subject at gearslutz, you should check it out.
i saw an interview with deadmau5 once and he said that he uses ableton for production and for live performance, but all the mixing is done in logic.
but i also know alot of artists that use ableton as their main daw and they get an amazing sound out of it.
what i do know is that some of the plugins that come with ableton are not that good, like the reverb plugin and the delay. |
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Axis Mundi
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Posted : Oct 8, 2009 18:13
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Yeah i agree, the plugins tended to be really sucky, however I'm intrigued by the Max For Live plugin/VSTi creation kit they're talking about coming out with soon.
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makus
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Posted : Oct 8, 2009 21:45
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just did the same thing - one midi, one synth and one preset, exported from C4, Live 7 and Studio One. Except that Live exported 380 ms longer file there was no hearable difference at all.
www.overdreamstudio.com |
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piko_bianko
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Posted : Oct 10, 2009 11:07
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the answer is simple.
1. some people are too lazy to spend time on studying how to mix and generally produce the music they like, so it's their equipment's fault.
so that's the first part, the search of the GREAT TOOLS.
2. BUT after they bought the best equipment, -still being lazy- their vanity of someday being the best producers around is fed by a constant assuring that they are using the best tools around so they can feel superior to others. (they don't really crave to create some music first, but getting recognition for it before all)
but in the end it's not music they're doing because being busy doing all the above there's no time left for music creation. just bragging and comparing.
[how many times i've seen/read/been in the following:
- hey dude, u making music?
- eh, yes.
- what software u're using?
- XYZ
- pff, ABC is way better (being snobby)]
.. and doesn't even care about the music. just got the answer he wanted to further feed his vanity of doing something cool and in a better way!
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some thing they forget is that some of their favourite tunes from the past were created using software way inferior compared to any DAW from today. Did that stop artists from making awesome music? Did that stop you then from listening music? Or did it block your tears and excitement when u heard an awesome tune?
ps. just to be clear, i do not refer to people that participate and share their knowledge, thoughts and questions in such conversations, topics etc. I refer to those who will reply to this post in an aggressive manner  (they always do)
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Axis Mundi
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Posted : Oct 11, 2009 00:47
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| [how many times i've seen/read/been in the following:
- hey dude, u making music?
- eh, yes.
- what software u're using?
- XYZ
- pff, ABC is way better (being snobby)]
.. and doesn't even care about the music. just got the answer he wanted to further feed his vanity of doing something cool and in a better way!
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some thing they forget is that some of their favourite tunes from the past were created using software way inferior compared to any DAW from today. Did that stop artists from making awesome music? Did that stop you then from listening music? Or did it block your tears and excitement when u heard an awesome tune? |
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The man speaks the truth!
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