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Jeto
Jeto
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Posted : Mar 5, 2005 02:42
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someone ever had this problem of not being able to finish tracks?
I start of so many tracks all to me sound really cool... good ideas.. but when it comes to finishing them i suck at it...
any suggestions on how to keep my attention on one song and finish it?
any suggestions would be of great help thanks..
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diskonekt
Fat Data
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Posted : Mar 5, 2005 05:56
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heheheh imho the solution is to use the File->Delete->Yes sequence,available in all music production packages and move on to a new track.
Hopefullly it'll come naturally on another track 
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UnderTow
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Posted : Mar 6, 2005 15:17
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That is a very known problem with producers.  Do you run out of ideas or do you not have the discipline to continue?
I often get caught listening to what I have made in a loop and enjoying it so much I don't move forward. Lol. When that happens I just have to force myself to keep working. Usualy things move on by themselves after that.
If you are out of inspiration, try doing something a bit different like checking out samples for inspiration or listening to presets in the gear/software that you have and tweaking them or analyzing how they are made. Or do something completely different. Watch a movie, listen to some music (not your own  ), go for a walk. Work on another track etc ...
As time goes on, I find it easyer and easyer to finish tracks. Probably because I work faster and faster. I also smoke less these days. That helps alot. And I force myself to finish stuff more often. A question of discipline.
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Freeflow
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Posted : Mar 7, 2005 00:53
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Try speaking loudly to yourself, tell your self what the next target is!
Let it be jokingly, like.. - okej doctor lets move on to this lead now, okej it has too much resonance, lets fix it.. okej this is good, what about those drums, yeah i agree the snare needs to lose some body..
keep the communication going.. and work with it..
Schitzo but very enjoying and you actually make progress!
so talk to your self about what you need to do.. other than that, get coffee breakes and other breaks... just juggle or something else, take a walk and go back when you feel more fresh, small breaks can be to walk around in your room and just ponder different ideas till you get one...
if you take lots of breakes you can work more and you keep the attention span going... remeber to keep the inner communication going at those breaks, but try not to get stuck on any element or part of the track, try to always move on,
if you move on the difficult parts will get easier when you eventually come to them... cause you have so many thing already done so it will feel stupid to leave the project...
now back to reality, its freaking hard to finish what you start, the biggest issue is that one dont completely understand the tools one works with...
and one dont have a good method for solving problems...
hang in there... it comes a time, its good to take it slow and get good and make quality original music..
also do a track where you dont have any pressure on your self, no pressure on sound quality and such things.. just make the damn track, you know you can, but there are those silly details that hinder you...
also ponder this.. music can be like a sketch, you work out a rough sketch and then you plan the project around this sketch and get down to business, it will get easier to have something to work around..
Also another thing you could do, make a frame to work within...
make sections and let your music grow inside this...
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Pythagoraz
TimeDrained / Pythagoraz
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Posted : Mar 7, 2005 01:53
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well I think we all know this problem. every musician have these kind of closure issues once in a while.
I had the same problem for about 2 years and was totally frustraded to the point where I thought maybe I just sucked at producing... 
I have learned that the most important thing for me to remember to avoid this when making a track is to seriously think about how I'm going to construct the track. by this I mean, where the intro ends, where the different things are put in the track and most importantly what I start with.
when I first began making trance I always started out making a loop with Kick and bassline and then I builded on the loop until it was stuffed with perc, hats, synths and effects and basicly sounded like I wanted the track to sound in the most filled parts, -you know the middle-end part of the track, and then I wanted to make the Intro, breaks and stuff. The problem with this approach was that I suddenly and almost every time found myself lietening to the loop so many times (coz I liked it) that I at some point lost all my inspiration and I just stopped making the track and moved on to a new one. I think minly this happened becoz I didn't have the feel of evolvement and progress in the track (Since I started out making the peaks)and therefor didn't have the feel of evolvement in my inspiration either. ...-I hope I make sence.. lol
Now I work in a totally different way. I still start out makin the Kick and the Bassline but then I go back and make the intro (Usually weird Sphere effect pads or something)I then connect the Intro with the Kick and bassline and then move on from there one "part" at a time... this way I always have tons of ideas for the track in my head but instead of putting em in the track right away as I used to do I now give it time. I let the track evolve in a way that rocks and feel naturally and slowly I build it up using the ideas I have.
I know this is an advice on producing rather than some meditative inspiration recipy. but I feel that by doing it this way my Inspiration and Ideas keep up with the evolvement of the track and by doing it this way I usually avoid the Unfinished track syndrome...
This is just my way of doing it and I guess most people start out with the intro anyway so this might not help much but never the less I do feel that it is important to have some structure in the way you build up tracks in order to keep your Muse and Ideas Flowing...
Cheers mate
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br0d
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Posted : Mar 7, 2005 10:33
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I don't generally have any problems with my atte |
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WAVELOGIX
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Posted : Mar 7, 2005 10:35
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i used to suffer from those problems ... not any more , hehe ..... imo it just keeps getting better with time ... ! |
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psypox
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Posted : Mar 7, 2005 14:37
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hehehehehe, i usaly listen so much to my tracks when i make them that i get sooo sick of them and dont have the motivation to finish the track..
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WAVELOGIX
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Posted : Mar 7, 2005 15:56
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hmmm .sounds like u really arent enjoying what u make ... i also lissen to my tracks a lot of time while im making them [ roughly around 200 times ] but all the times i just keep getting new ideas to fill in  |
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Freeflow
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Posted : Mar 7, 2005 17:25
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Pythagoraz Denmark, nice advice!
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br0d
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Posted : Mar 7, 2005 18:18
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On 2005-03-07 14:37, psypox wrote:
hehehehehe, i usaly listen so much to my tracks when i make them that i get sooo sick of them and dont have the motivation to finish the track..
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Important--never listen to your tracks recreationally until they are complete. You will become accustomed to them in their unfinished state and make changes later with greater reluctance. |
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fregle
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Posted : Mar 8, 2005 21:40
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what br0d says is very true, tnx for the tips Pythagoraz and New Era Scientist.
breakdowns are very important not to sound boring (a variation at the end of every 32 or 16 counts), and after every breakdown there should be something added or taken away, or a radical change... If u think a loop gets boring after a few loops, try to imagine what would make it less boring and then try to add it (which is extremely hard after a while...) at the moment u think the track becomes boring, or just drop some elements of the loop... But that's to break down the track, if u didn't reach the top yet u'll have to keep imagining things that take u further down the road... If your imagination stagnates it's the moment to take a break like the other guys said... Work on something else or take a walk or play a game... I'd completely block out all thoughts about music while i'm taking a break (u need to 'refresh' ur brain, so it stops running in circles, a complete break in your thoughts for 10mins will stop that).
I have to add to that that i never finished a track myself either... Well i already finished tracks, but never one that i thought of as being totally finished as it should be But i have more of a problem finding the 'cutting edge' or the moment when the track goes over the top... The climax u could say... If anybody has some tips on that i'd be very happy to hear them |
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Pythagoraz
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Posted : Mar 9, 2005 01:23
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XrTC
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Posted : Mar 9, 2005 17:14
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because i don't have as much time to spend on a track as i would like to, i usually keep notes of ideas or things i want to do (mostly on 'post-it's lol). so, when i finally am able to spend hours on a track, i sit down and start implementing the post-it notes. it can be useful when you get ideas, but u simply don't have enough time to try them right away. this helped me in another way: now i am sure i am not forgetting to try out smth i have thought, cos i got it all written down! i used to feel really weird when i was like "oh, what was it i wanted to do with the pads? hmmmm did i mean to pan the leads left and right?" and was frustrated cos i couldn't remember a specific idea i had a couple of hours before. short time memory loss u said? .
Respect is earned, not demanded...
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fregle
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Posted : Mar 9, 2005 17:14
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no (although it can help, cuz my song-structure isn't quite up there either)... i thought about it and it's something nobody but myself can solve...
I just don't reach the amount of energy i want to reach. I always strand at a good pace, a good riff/loop. Then i want to go to the climax, but i just don't seem to get there properly, it's always close but no real 'aha' moment, hard to explain.
But that's a problem of composition, there are no tricks to help me with that... i'll just have to try and try untill i get my climaxes right, that i'm not left with the feeling that i didn't reach the 'top' of my track.
It's very frustrating to have a track that has the potential, but always stranding within inches from what it should be according to me... |
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