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Attention DELL users!!.... I have a question : )
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Seppa
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Posted : Jun 5, 2007 15:43
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unbelievable !!!!
You had all the information from the very start, and I repeated my myself with answers and quotes for you to understand. what else do you want......
I'm done you can continue to pollute this thread if you want. |
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bilbobagginz
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Posted : Jun 5, 2007 15:45
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Hey, man!
Please refer to my reedited post ( I wrote the 1st version before I saw your last post )
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Seppa
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Posted : Jun 5, 2007 15:49
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| he problem is that tomorrow, you maybe go into fishing business, and this guy maybe prefers a 3 years warranty. |
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Hey, I'm not offering my services. I quit because I wanted to concentrate in music and engineering carrier.
I'm just giving valuable info. If some of you want more info I can give you more advice on components and prices. |
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subconsciousmind
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Posted : Jun 5, 2007 15:51
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i did sisoft sandra and futurmark benchmarks on my pc, i used 533mhz cl4 corsair (dual speed, two banks) and 800mhz cl4 corsair, also dual which i also underclocked to 667mhz to test.
both benchmarkers were unsignificantly different. while working i didn't notice anything.
as for the mac book pro:
http://www.digitec.ch/?param=toppreise&wert=126423
and really similar
http://www.digitec.ch/?param=toppreise&wert=133324
and both significantly cheaper than the mac book pro:
http://store.apple.com/Apple/WebObjects/chdeBusiness?type=bizchdePRO&qprm=65199&family=MacBookPro
the ibm has the better screen resolution but less memory, which evens out in price and they are known for quality.
One more thing about the mac books... you can't remove the battery. thats a real big shit. since the battery wears out by being constantly charged and discharged a little while working on power. in my dell i have always the battery removerd unless i need it. its 3 years old now, and still works as long as at the first day.
Its no secret the apple has a lot of problems with battery live, in ipods and notebooks. check the forums.. many have problems... also with heat by the way. once its gone you can't just replace it as in every other notebook... no mac had to build it in "nicely designed" so that you have to go to the store etc etc.
To say the mac os is better than vista is halfknowledge and just a clichez. get rid of that, become open and more modern. i have both OS and work on both and really there is NO difference for me, all the crashes I have are due to the software, no matter the os. I did cubase projects on both systems, checked which systems gives more performance, winXP wins with a little advantage.. Vista has been proven bein a better performer than XP, so it actualy, theoreticaly leaves osx (till 64bit as least, makes a new game) no chance.
here two threads that might interest you
http://forum.isratrance.com/viewtopic.php/topic/106073/forum/2
http://forum.isratrance.com/viewtopic.php/topic/108313/forum/2 scroll down to my post
I have to admit apple mp3 player everything are so much more sexy and handy than all others. but i had an ipod and friends have them, they are so bad quality, so unreliable, so terrible to repair, change battery etc.. i went back to creative now.. works and works.. not as sexy, not as good to handle, but much more reliable and much better quality.
 Most of my music for you to download at:
http://www.subconsciousmind.ch |
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bilbobagginz
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Posted : Jun 5, 2007 16:08
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subconciousmind, thanks for the tests.
As to vista vs. macos... it's not what I've said.
I said that Vista will have about 2-3 years of problems, even though it isn't bad, while OSX is an already debugged system.
As to memory management/audio usage scenario comparison, it is VERY hard to see an objective comparison, because a person who performs the tests is taking a position, either for pc or for mac. this makes the benchmarking very difficult.
e.g. many mac users use not cubase, but Logic.
and this system is very well built, and cannot be objectively compared to cubase system.
So, 1st I only said Vista is a bit RAW, and one can expect problems with it, childhood problems ( like acne ), and as what is better working with your workflow, man...
it is a matter of preference
And I am not talking about cliches, I am a linuxoid, so I have no remorse or mercy neither towards vista nor to OSX
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Seppa
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Posted : Jun 5, 2007 16:10
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If you are a cubase user, it doesn't make any sense to run osx. I beleive it runs not as well on osx than on xp.
The future is vista. its a newer os. That will outperform osx on time. I don't have proof of that yet. but in 12 mouth we can talk about it if you guys want.
In 12 mouth the market will be mature enough and we will all be able to switch to vista. wheter you have a Apple, dell or self made computer.
To me the only obvious reason to run osx is for logic or digital performer.
Don't you all see ? it is not about pc or mac. there is no more mac.
its about osx or windows ! |
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subconsciousmind
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Posted : Jun 5, 2007 16:14
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BTW:
I thought about buying a mac pro (xeon etc)
But at the time I arrived with the configuration by the RAM, and I realized that Apple charges double to tripple the price for 1GB more memory than I pay for very well same spec quality kingston ram (they ADD 999CHf for 4GB of ram, but you can buy 4GB of ram for 200-450CHf, wheras 450chf is state of the art low latency memory), and double the price for a certain nvidia grafics chipset, and double the price for harddiscs than in normal computerstores... even though they are exactly the same... I felt so ripped off, that I backed off and boght a PC again.
Most of my music for you to download at:
http://www.subconsciousmind.ch |
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bilbobagginz
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Posted : Jun 5, 2007 16:21
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its about osx or windows !
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I agree, and I want to see who wins
I hope next year we suddenly realize it's not
OSX vs. Vista,
but it's Linux vs. the rest
this is Off Topic...
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bilbobagginz
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Posted : Jun 5, 2007 16:23
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On 2007-06-05 16:14, subconsciousmind wrote:
But at the time I arrived with the configuration by the RAM, and I realized that Apple charges double to tripple the price for 1GB more memory than I pay for very well same spec quality kingston ram
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you can buy a minimal RAM & HD configuration, and then add your own, cheaper one.
It doesn't break the warranty.
MacPro is an animal, and it can have both OSX and Vista, with no problem at the same time
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subconsciousmind
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Posted : Jun 5, 2007 16:54
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On 2007-06-05 16:23, bilbobagginz wrote:
you can buy a minimal RAM & HD configuration, and then add your own, cheaper one.
It doesn't break the warranty.
MacPro is an animal, and it can have both OSX and Vista, with no problem at the same time
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really? somebody told me, that apple somehow blocks installing other memorybrands.
So I can add kingston or corsair ram to a mac pro? hmm.....
but that doesn't work with graficcard.. since there are no drivers i suppose.
its all offtopic.. sorry for it.
Most of my music for you to download at:
http://www.subconsciousmind.ch |
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trancedelux
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Posted : Jun 6, 2007 07:37
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Just got home from a boring dinner "party".. (it's wednesday 1:30 a.m. here), and I found all these messages.. Many thanks to all who gave their opinion.
Well, I'm considering very strongly the idea of buying a desktop instead of a notebook. I wanted portability for my work and having internet everywhere... but what I really want this machine for is to produce music. Period. I don't want to delay it anymore!
For that reason I'm already checking prices at local stores to buy the parts and then have a self made PC. Today I realized that for about the HALF (700-800 dollars) of the money I was willing to spend on the notebook, I can have an amazing desktop, and a lot of spare money to buy decent monitors, controller, soundcard, etc..
I'll post the probable configuration for you to say what you think about it.
Thanks again everybody, have a great day. I'm going to bed now. Boker tov le Israel! bye |
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trancedelux
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Posted : Jun 6, 2007 18:07
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Ok, so this is the desktop i'd build (prices are in american dollars, including tax)
-Motherboard: INTEL D946GZISSL OEM (CORE2 DUO) $110.-
-CPU: Intel CORE 2 DUO E4400 2.0 GHZ 2MB 775 $200.-
-HD: Seagate 7200 rpm, 250 GB $90.-
-RAM: 1 Gb 667 Kingston $50.- I'll buy 2, $100.- total
-CD/DVD burner: LG $40.-
-Monitor: 17" flat Viewsonic or LG $190.-
- Keyboard+mouse+cabinet: $75.-
TOTAL: US$805.- tax included.
Now I'd have US$1000-1200 to spend in speakers, controller and soundcard. I can start playing and learning with headphones, so i'll just consider controller and soundcard to start producing.. i'll save more money and then I'd buy the speakers.
What do you think about it??
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bilbobagginz
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Posted : Jun 6, 2007 20:39
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what are you going to do with this system ?
I mean:
is it mainly for hard disk recording or more for CPU+mem intensive sequencing/VSTi/FX rich arrangements ?
do you intend to buy an audio interface ?
do you already have one ?
Regards! |
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trancedelux
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Posted : Jun 11, 2007 03:05
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Bilbobagginz.. sorry! i missed your post.
With this system i mainly want to produce music, and also want to do some word processing and internet stuff. Yes I know I shouldn't use internet but i'm just going to start like this.. with time and more money i'll get a notebook for internet and stuff like that. I don't want to delay it anymore because I don't have the 'perfect combo'.
I think it's more for cpu and intensive seq.
I want to buy an audio interface, don't have one yet. I'm opening another thread to ask for a soundcard, considering the PC i'd have and my budget.
I'll appreciate your comments there too.. thanks |
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leandromorales
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Posted : Jun 11, 2007 20:09
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i have Dell latitude 510
I use a pcmcia firewire with the M-audio 410 soundcard
its Good
no problem yet
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