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Get-a-fix
Getafix
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Posted : Jun 5, 2007 01:41
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I have to agree with subconsciousmind..Given your budget i would invest in a desktop pc with two TFT screens..
The majority of the rest of the money i would spend on monitors as these are the most important part of your studio, the rest on a entry level pci-soundcard & controller..This should be more than enough to get you started..With time you can upgrade as you get more experience & realise your needs..
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Seppa
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Posted : Jun 5, 2007 02:08
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If you need a config for your pc I can help for the perfect systems. 1800$ thats a lot you can really do a killer pc.
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subconsciousmind
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Posted : Jun 5, 2007 08:20
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On 2007-06-05 01:41, Get-a-fix wrote:
The majority of the rest of the money i would spend on monitors as these are the most important part of your studio,
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absolutely. you can not to do what you do not hear.
Most of my music for you to download at:
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bilbobagginz
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Posted : Jun 5, 2007 10:35
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Listen, this is a long flame war, but..
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You pay more for the same hardware performance at the same point of time on mac than on pc thats an undiscussable truth..
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This is TRUE for self made-no-warranty-PC.
This is NOT TRUE with BRAND PCs, like Dell. There are more expensive notebooks than apple's. It also depends on where you live. But, if you use eBay... it doesn't.
And, my own (I counted last 15 years), of how much is spent on PC vs. Mac, shows that on Mac hardware you spend LESS than on PC.
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so mac is certainly not a budget solution.
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notebook is not a budget solution.
1800$ for a notebook is a lot of money, man.
go for a regular PC, which will cost you 1-1.2 k$
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especially in view of all that comes with sound software that is available for free on pc but not on mac.
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I don't want to be your educator or parent, but stealing has no limits - if you steal when using a PC, you will keep doing this on Mac too. There is no principle difference.
if you want to actually compare - visit their sites, and compare prices and specs
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subconsciousmind
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Posted : Jun 5, 2007 12:05
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check the prices, what you say is not true.
at least not where I live. even brand pcs with warranty give me the same hardware at lower prices.
What you say about paying less for mac in the end is only true because if you have a mac you stick to a obsolete machine much longer than with a pc. maybe you can pay more for pc over years, but then you go with the speed which is luxury.
actually I was talking from FREE pugins. check www.kvraudio.com
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subconsciousmind
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Posted : Jun 5, 2007 13:29
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I just checked the prices here. mac books are about the same as dell, but with a smaller screen. mac books pro cost about 700bugs more than similar dells.
desktops dell pcs are about 15% cheaper then imacs. i have to admit, its not as much as i thought 
Just to make clear. I do not smite mac here. I personally like mac, and also recommend them to people depending their needs. but if its got to be cheap its good there are pcs.
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bilbobagginz
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Posted : Jun 5, 2007 14:04
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subconciousmind, hi!
Please never say "what you say is not true" to a HOBBIT!!!
I just NOW have visited dell.ch and apple.ch,
chose 2 quite comparable models:
white macbook C2D, 2.16GHz, 2GB of RAM (667MHz), HDD: 160GB 5.4krpm
COST: 1890 CHF.
dell inspirion 6400, C2D, 2.16GHz, 2GB of RAM (533MHz), HDD: 160 GB 5.4krpm
COST: 2046 CHF.
The rest of the components are not vital, but macbook wins, because it has:
0. Mac OS X!!!!
1. remote control
2. BlueTooth
3. has firewire, which is faster than PCCard.
4. power adapter is better.
another difference:
AppleCare for 3 years costs 400 CHF
Dell's similar 3 year warranty costs less: 306 CHF
So, if we add those, prices became
2446 CHF (for dell) vs. 2286 CHF (for macbook)
so, my conclusion is: Dell is more expensive.
this is as to MB vs. Dell notebook pricing, maybe you get some refund here and there, but these models are in the same niche of the market, and IMHO Apple here offers a better deal.
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mac books are about the same as dell, but with a smaller screen
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Dell is a competitor. they have models that are composed of the same family of elements, but still Apple has alluminium case, remote control. The screens are standard, macbook comes either with A4 display, 13" (MacBook), or with a bigger 15" or 17" (MacBookPro)
As to the availability of plugins... you are right here:
type|OSX|windows
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inst.|55 |586
BUT! This is the exact problem with PC approach.
the pc marketing is always pushing the idea of selling you more "furs": you must own more furs (MHz, GB, slots, pixels, mSec, etc.), and then you are better, you always have to chaise the upgrade, this time furs are the amount of plugins you can download...
Have you ever thought of adding a fluite, a piano or a cello more strings, more buttons, or other components ?
I doubt that.
and they still sound quite nicely, I mean, hope you don't think if you have more plugins your music becomes better just because of this
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mac books pro cost about 700bugs more than similar dells.
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Which models do you compare ?!
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Seppa
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Posted : Jun 5, 2007 14:36
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2286 CHF = 939.481 GBP
This is the price of the regular book which is a 13 inch screen.
While the dell is a 15 inch screen.
Entry level MacBook Pro
* 15.4-inch TFT display
1440x900 resolution
* 2.16GHz Intel Core 2 Duo CPU
* 1GB DDR2
SDRAM (667MHz)
* 120GB Serial ATA HDD
* Slot-load 6x SuperDrive
* ATI Mobility Radeon X1600
128MB Graphics Card
* Bluetooth 2 & Airport Extreme
* Tiger OS
The starting price of a book pro with a 15 inch screen is £1348.99 = £3,283.11 CHF. this is the SP so it doesn't include anything else.
As you can see in the specs it has less ram and less hd. So it is fair to say that mac cost way more than pcs.
I personally thing this config is crap in both case.
A5400rpm hard drive ????!!!!!
If you have some knowledge of assembling and know where and what barebone to get you can assemble a laptop with better specs than both dell and mac for a fraction of the price.
You should know that all these big brands(dell, apple, sony , compaq ,toshiba ect....ect...)rely on 3 barebone makers (they also make monitor screens and printers....)for their products. these companies make unique designs for this type of customers, but they also make barebone for the public and the small company who cannot afford a unique design.Some of these barebone are absolutly stunning and have very good caracteristics. these barebone are also very cheap.
Know this for about £400-to £450 you can get a 17 inch barebone with the best intel motherboard(same as the mac bookpro) 2 firewire ti, internal camera ect.... you add the processor the ram and hd and you're done.
For a complete laptop You'll get away with it for around £650, £800 if you push it, to have the same or better system as a intelbook pro that cost £1828.99
See the difference !!!
For those outhere that really want a mac, I'm sure you all know you can run osx on a pc.
The truth is now a days there is no difference between a mac and a pc. A mac is a cocky pc |
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bilbobagginz
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Posted : Jun 5, 2007 14:28
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this is not a small 13" display.
it is a wide, A4-like one, and note the pixels size, I think you're ignoring this one. (same goes for 15" and 17", all are wide )
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As you can see in the specs it has less ram and less hd. So it is fair to say that mac cost way more than pcs.
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NO I DON'T SEE.
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NO IT ISN'T FAIR to say, without specifying what you're comparing to.
show me the model you're talking about.
Let's compare without waving hands.
I did my comparison. and brought it up to you.
please be nice, and do the same, as seriously as I did it, don't forget to look at the pixel size of the 15" display on the Dell, memory speed, and CPU model.
I compared almost identical specs.
Other way is incorrect.
and irrelevant.
Besides, the guy initially didn't want to go over 2000$, don't forget that too.
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Seppa
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Posted : Jun 5, 2007 15:03
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it is a wide, A4-like one, and note the pixels size, I think you're ignoring this one. (same goes for 15" and 17", all are wide ) |
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The dell is a widescreen too. So I don't know what your're talkin about.
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NO IT ISN'T FAIR to say, without specifying what you're comparing to.
show me the model you're talking about.
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You are comparing a 13 ich mac widescreen to a dell 15 inch widescreen with a higher resolution. so I posted the equivalent wiht less ram and hd. and it cost more. Is it too difficul to understand?
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Wow ! I give the tip of the century on how to build a laptop for a fraction of the price comparing to a branded one and this is what I get.
I'm not gonna add anything its hopeless. 
ps: besides 650£ is way below $2000 (and its a 17 inch)
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subconsciousmind
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Posted : Jun 5, 2007 15:13
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I can't follow th price callculations I was able to build a dell 640m exactly like the mac book but with 14inch screen for 1800CHF wheras the similar mac book cost 1880chfr but is much more beautiful, lighter and smaller, admited here.
But I built (on the website) a dell inspiron 6400 laptop similar to a mac book pro 15inch 2.16ghz, 1gb ram, 120gb hd etc. for 1880chfr, whereas the mac book pro with similar spec goes for 2880chf.
Firewire is so standard on laptops that it isn't even mentioned on the front page..
remote? i don't care.. if i want one, it's 30bucks and i have it.
power adapter better?? why should it? smaller or what?
MacOs? so what? dell comes with winXP or vista.
its a matter of taste.
Just yesterday my sister asked me to recommend her a notebook. she is open to apple. She has got 2000CHf to spend. if she wants a big screen and power I will recommend her the dell, if she wants a little cute carry toy I recommend her the macbook.
besides: memory speed... i did speed checks on that. i tested from 533 to 800mhz speeds. the difference is so small, i don't care. Most of my music for you to download at:
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bilbobagginz
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Posted : Jun 5, 2007 15:29
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power supply on macbook is small, and it has a nice magnetic trick that allows you to kick the power wire accidentally, without dropping the notebook off the table, it just goes "pluck", and disconnects from the macbook.
As to the prices you're talking about, I hope you looked at display size not only in inches, but in pixels too, and when I checked out, the regular notebooks 15" and 14" are lower quality than the ones in the latest macbooks (they were 1024x768 pixels)
As to why OSX is better for audio than windows vista - it is simple, vista has much more bugs, because it is a rewrite.
so, there will be at least 2-3 years of deployment until vista is kosher, besides it eats more resources, than OSX, so out of all your 2GB of RAM you will have 1/2 GB dedicated to Vista.
I didn't speak about usability stuff, "convenience", no drivers bullshit, no viruses, etc., and the fact you can run windows on a mac....
And, of course, it doesn't matter - finally one can bring up good music both on mac or pc
as to memory speed, I don't know which benchmarks have you run, but I'd like to know.
so, which ones ?
Best Regards!
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Seppa
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Posted : Jun 5, 2007 15:32
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Lol !!!!!
I'm a system builder, I did build specialise audio computer until very recently and that includes laptop.
And I can say this with no remorse: you don't know what you are talkin about rookie. Let people take advantage of the real information being given by those who know what they are talkin about.
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bilbobagginz
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Posted : Jun 5, 2007 15:33
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as to self-made barebone, it is cheaper in the parts, but it is more expensive in the whole process: you waste time, on choosing the parts, checking the prices, the store, the warranty per part.
you spend a lot of time into that, and if you're a working man, you need to add that time you're spending to the price.
If you work and, say earn ~20 $/h, 10 hours is 200$.
and if you spend more, and get a laptop of 1000$, you add the 400$ of your own labour... is it worth it ?
So, if you're unemployed, or supported by parents, it is worth it, since your time doesn't cost a dime.
otherwise, you need to consider
Regards!
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bilbobagginz
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Posted : Jun 5, 2007 15:38
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Ok, I didn't see your previous post.
As to barebone:
It is all nice, if you can buy parts cheaply, e.g. if you work for a shop or a lab.
But to end user, this barebone won't cost much cheaper, and a headache of the parts choice, it is painfull man, there's a lot of parts to choose from.
you say you're a systems builder... well, I think you've found yourself a client.
The problem is that tomorrow, you maybe go into fishing business, and this guy maybe prefers a 3 years warranty.
I am not saying do as I say, nor I say don't do as Seppa says,
I am just saying: there's several things to take into the account.
Peace!
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