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Astral Projection is a fake
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mquirk1
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Posted : Apr 14, 2007 08:04
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On 2007-04-13 22:50, reger wrote:
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On 2007-04-12 22:04, X.tract wrote:
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On 2007-04-12 20:41, reger wrote:
any pictures/videos from that party available somewhere? more info?
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check out the fullmoon dvd 2006, i was wondering why they just stand there doing nothing (thought of this, as GMS is doing these kind of lives)... now i know for sure  camouflage!
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dont have that dvd.
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On 2007-04-13 15:57, Dovla wrote:
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On 2007-04-13 12:03, mquirk1 wrote:
So the guy booked them, then not only refused to pay them after they'd already played, but "beat" them as well? What a tool of a promoter..
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all I can say is...respect to the organizer! 
I mean what the hell...you ask for tons of gear you're not gonna use, then fake a live act and ask money for it...if I were the organizer I'd take a microphone and tell the crowd that AP isn't gonna do a real live and I'd let someone else play instead and send their asses back to the airport...the ass kicking part is way out of line though...they just deserve to be embarrased if they demand so much gear that they won't use...I wouldn't mind if they said that they would only play from a CD or a laptop...at least then you don't have to call it a live act...
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alias, what is your problem - is ap your gods or what? they cheated organiser and people that came to that party to see them PLAY LIVE, but all what they did was PLAYING IPOD and CD, while organisers had expensive gear set up for REAL live performance on demand by AP, yet they didnt do sh1t with them! is that fair? no. is trying to double-cross people ok? no. should the person whos trying to steal someones money be punished? yes. and slap in the face is the least harm to those two, organiser could sue them and that would cost ap much more than red cheek 
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Firstly, I'm not defending AP's actions at all, I hate fake lives as much as the next person.. my point is, bringing physical violence into it like that is pretty damn unprofessional, but I guess that's the psy scene for you.. And also, good luck suing them.. unless there was some express clause in the contract stating "we AP promise to use the equipment provided for us on stage and play live", which, once again, I doubt there was anything as official as that signed being the psy scene and all.. it was probably more of a "we pay you $2000 for you to play at our party" or whatever..
And I think saying AP is trying to "steal" money is a bit naive. The organiser is pretty much paying for AP's name.. I'm sure they still drew a massive crowd to the party, right? And how many of that crowd would even give a fuck if they played live or not? Hence why I think they still deserve to be payed.. unless the organiser decides to refund all the money they made on ticket sales from AP's apperance.. |
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dj nadav
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Posted : Apr 14, 2007 10:48
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i am a very very big fan of astral projection, and also know them a bit personaly.
as for goining on stage drunk..... nothing that you can do about it. these guys are edicted to alchohol, especialy to wine. its thier problem, they are doining fun of themselves playing like that on stage and embaressing themselves.
as for so called "live act"- i've never seen astral playing real live act with synth's ans stuff but concider the fact i started to go to astral parties on in 2004, i can hope that in diffrent periods of thier long music carrier they played real live.
as for talking with the crowd- both avi and lior are the most amazing persons i know. they are so freindly and they love the adorations of the crowd. its just the way they are, and if the music is beeing plyed anyway so the can speak with the crowd.
now, as for asking money for that show.....
with all my respect to astral and the love i have to both of them i realy dont think they should be payed for that. especially no for that i- pod show.
and only the fact that they did went up on stage with an i pod and every one saw that caused them enouth dammege.
as a huge fan of astral its very sad for me to read this, but Astral for me will always be num.1 for what they have done and for the people they are.
playing fake live shows in a level like this is not suitable to a trance group like astral projection- saddly they are doing that and scruing thier carriers.
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faxinadu
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Posted : Apr 14, 2007 12:40
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woah....
i think first of all, if you aren't going to do a full live, at least mix some suff and don't ask the promoters for nords  ....
now, what gets me most is the drunk thing... these guys are in thier 30s, with families.... doesn't seem apropriate for a 16 year old artist to get drunk on stage, so for them?
i guess arsim stay arsim...
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Diaks
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Posted : Apr 14, 2007 14:24
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Heh what does the word arsim mean? i have an old goa compilation with the name: arsim on acid
it features a track by shakta with the same name, also there is a track by shakta called misra indica there.. and misra is arsim backwards to :S so what does it mean?
a bit off topic but hey im currious 
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kikola
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Posted : Apr 14, 2007 15:19
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Heh what does the word arsim mean? i have an old goa compilation with the name: arsim on acid
it features a track by shakta with the same name, also there is a track by shakta called misra indica there.. and misra is arsim backwards to :S so what does it mean?
a bit off topic but hey im currious
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 you'll learn soon enough be patient my young padavan :-D 
imho ap's time is up and like atma said 99% of todays live acts are fake now let the promoter choose if they'll book them or not
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XwhiteRabbitX
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Posted : Apr 14, 2007 16:13
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On 2007-04-14 14:24, Diaks wrote:
Heh what does the word arsim mean? i have an old goa compilation with the name: arsim on acid
it features a track by shakta with the same name, also there is a track by shakta called misra indica there.. and misra is arsim backwards to :S so what does it mean?
a bit off topic but hey im currious
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arsim is one of israel prime socialogical groups which seems to be growin fast in the last 20 years or so-
its a combination of a super macho atitude and a total lack of manners. usually they divide into two sub arsim groups: good and bad. the good arsim have this macho atitude but still got some decent behavior. the bad are really nasty- trying to pick fights most of the time and really u dont want to deal with them. if u have gotten into a fight with one of them than u should expect for all their friends and family to join them aswell.
common assorted names in the israeli trance scene- faces, shimons.
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dj nadav
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Posted : Apr 14, 2007 17:23
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Astral projection are the last ones that can be called arsim. may be thier behavior was not good, but they didnt stab anyone or steal anything. |
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Diaks
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Posted : Apr 14, 2007 19:41
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On 2007-04-14 16:13, XwhiteRabbitX wrote:
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On 2007-04-14 14:24, Diaks wrote:
Heh what does the word arsim mean? i have an old goa compilation with the name: arsim on acid
it features a track by shakta with the same name, also there is a track by shakta called misra indica there.. and misra is arsim backwards to :S so what does it mean?
a bit off topic but hey im currious
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arsim is one of israel prime socialogical groups which seems to be growin fast in the last 20 years or so-
its a combination of a super macho atitude and a total lack of manners. usually they divide into two sub arsim groups: good and bad. the good arsim have this macho atitude but still got some decent behavior. the bad are really nasty- trying to pick fights most of the time and really u dont want to deal with them. if u have gotten into a fight with one of them than u should expect for all their friends and family to join them aswell.
common assorted names in the israeli trance scene- faces, shimons.
walaaaaak boooom.
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Thanks for the info mate, kind of hard to know stuff like that when you arent from Israel
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XwhiteRabbitX
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Posted : Apr 14, 2007 20:43
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and btw i really dont think astral fits to the category of arsim. |
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Alias
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Posted : Apr 14, 2007 20:46
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Glitch_CapeTown
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Posted : Apr 14, 2007 23:11
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Astral Projection should be banned from playing anywhere for life.....
@ Alias, It seems that you are quite an Avid fan of AP?
Well they have been lying to you for the last 20 yrs, so how does that make you feel. Can you even prove that the music they made, was even made by them....
the fuckers have soooooo much money they probably payed sum1 to make their live set for them, which they then pretended to do very badly.
Why shud sum idiot, just coz he has a name, be entitled to the complete and utter lazy side of being a producer, when some of us spend most of our time working on our tracks, and put years and years of effort in.
This is completely ridiculous, Astral Projection, I hope u read this, u shud feel sorry for yourself, shame on you for Lying to the few ppl that actually give a shit about you, you worthless producers!
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Alias
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Posted : Apr 14, 2007 23:57
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what the hell you are talking about
what live act?
you need a read this topic from the begining dude
atma sayd that 99% of so called live acts is fake
im telling that is 100% true
may be you dont know......but from the goa days and data days.....there is no such a thing live act
you know what is live act....?
running your wave files from the sequencer....wich is nice laptop this days with cubase or ableton live
the only things that artists can do with hardware synths is adding some lead...... boosting cutoff knob for this siren sound.....or playing some pad intro sound....thats all.....this is reality in 95% of live acts
some of the times the hardware synths is for decoration......
also this attitude of the djs and artists with knobs and faders ....is very funny for me ....because this is pure acting.....very bad actors i have to say
the organizer should know such a things
he can proved that they played from ipods?
if you want to see live act ....you should see infected mushroom ,skazi, michele adamson....sun project etc
personally .....i dont give a shit.....if in the party is "live act" or dj set for me is the same
sorry but i cannot accept beating artists because they
didnt played "live"
and ppl who justifying this ugly actions
maybe beating artists is normal today....i dunno
astral projection guys did for this scene.....much more then all of us.....from the very deep underground in the 90'
without any publicity ,advertising, internet promotion
they succeed......because ppl love their music without any brainwashing promotion in tv magazines etc..
once they were in jail because this unthankful scene
they great and friendly guys with big soul and spirit.....
lately i see a lot agression and disrespect in the trance scene.....even here in isratrance
very sad to see this......
cheers!
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Optimistic Suicide
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Posted : Apr 15, 2007 00:11
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On 2007-04-09 01:18, psy2020marcus wrote:
party producer: "OH YEAH; AND IM FROM PORTUGAL"!!!! and the party producer beat in him twice
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Well I don't care about the Ipod thing because the beating part sounds funnier...
Please describe it young man
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Glitch_CapeTown
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Posted : Apr 15, 2007 04:41
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The_Guardians_Of_Truth
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Posted : Apr 15, 2007 10:46
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On 2007-04-15 04:41, Glitch_CapeTown wrote:
@Alias
Actually a live act, is "live", not just play a wave file off a nice laptop....
u shud use ableton to sequence many diferent Wave files which you chop up and put FX on "Live"....
You dont even need Hardware synths and what not...
Infact, most "live" acts are more Wave file based(chopping, Sequencing and FXs) rather than Midi(live tweaking of synth knobs etc.) the synths are just there to "look cool" as is the case with Astral Projection......
and, I did read the thread.....
and the Live set I was talking about, is the one that the thread is based on, I dont really know why u ask "what live act?"
Judging by the fact that you believe that Astral Projection do real live acts, I would take your word about anything, sorry........
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well maybe the word "live act" is not good and it must be changed. Many peoples make confusion and belive that "live acting" in psytrance scene should be the same as on Rock or Pop Music.
...totally wrong ! First of all: psy music is more complex, i mean it use much more instruments and sound effects, and 90% is made with synths not acustic or other unplugged instruments.
I think the "live act" in psytrance scene means, the artist who play his own music or diffrent version of his traks, and yes, maybe sometimes he add some effects, pads, riffs, etc. using hardwre stuff or just laptop.
Just imagine a 100% live act of Astral Projection..first of all, the organizers wouldn't be able to provide them with all the equipment they need. And second: the price won't be anymore 2-3000 euro, but it will be 20-30.000 euro maybe even more...
So...let's be seriouse !!! As an artist, i can tell you, that the organizers complain every day, that they don't have money to pay and they aways loose money....
So..who will pay such huge price for a live act ?
The conclusion is: maybe is better to find another definition for "live acting"..
Also the public, and the organizers should grow up and understand that this is not "Rock Music" with 3 guitars a keyboard and a drummer and that's all !
This is psytrance, and there is no real "live act", or a 100% live is impossible !
Of course, the artist should also try to be as profy as possible, and put some much more effort on the stage..They should also spend some money on seriouse equipment for using on the stage like HD Recorders or other proffesional Multitrack Recodrders or Workstations.
With only 1500 euro setup for stage use, the artist can do a really profy job. It's not so hard or expensive!
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