The Journey Man Project
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Posted : Oct 29, 2007 04:19
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On 2007-10-29 01:35, Alias wrote:
ok.....i want to correct myself
IM is not the only....but one of the few
well....younger brother didnt played like in london....so
thats why i asked to show me some videos
in many parties that i was....i saw only few acts playing some melodies on keyboard
it was mfg....i think in 2000
the misted muppet....one of the guys is insane keyboard player......he played all this complex melodies LIVE
also eat static played on keyboard
thats what i saw in parties! another 90%minimum was fake......
i have never saw oood or tom cosm live ....so i cant say anything
judging by the videos and your music(also piano composition that you posted) your pro musician and i have no doubt about your REAL LIVE.......thats how live should be
check out Simon Posford... pretty live no?
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Posted : Nov 1, 2007 02:16
Guys:
aren't we being too hard on Astral Projection?
these guys gave us music like people can fly
let there be light
cosmic ascention, and many others.
it's true that now they are old, haven't produced good new music in ages, they might be in some kind of ego trip, and their life is a fake but imho we shouldn't judge them that hard.
how many of you weren't inspired by their music on their golden age?
in your dreams there are no rules, people can fly, make it happen!
Peace, Love, Light and Harmony
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Posted : Nov 1, 2007 09:01
yeah true...
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Posted : Nov 1, 2007 09:49
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On 2007-11-01 02:16, Forza wrote:
Guys:
aren't we being too hard on Astral Projection?
these guys gave us music like people can fly
let there be light
cosmic ascention, and many others.
it's true that now they are old, haven't produced good new music in ages, they might be in some kind of ego trip, and their life is a fake but imho we shouldn't judge them that hard.
how many of you weren't inspired by their music on their golden age?
in your dreams there are no rules, people can fly, make it happen!
absolutely Forza...
It seems to be that all it's about now a dayz, is "what have you done for me lately"
There is a reason why all of you are so bitter, it is because you have expectations of people... Usually expectations of people in my experiences, usually dissappoint us.... due to many of our high standards....I find it much easier to not have expectations, and to just simply enjoy what comes to me.
I thank Astral Projection for Astral has done, and i will be forever thankful for the music Astral has shared with us
"On the path of spirituality, one ventures to vanquish one’s own faults rather than to judge others"
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Posted : Dec 21, 2007 21:14
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Astral projection tour in portugal was the most disapointing thing i ever saw (and) with all this material (OP thought that) they were going to touch in something... WRONG!!!
Eternally transifxed on my tortured eyeballs are IM or Skazi on youtube. I might not generally agree with IM's recent experimantation with godawful SHIT, but at least I'm not going to their gigs expecting them to rock my balls into dust.
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first date in Oporto they were so drunk and lots of other illegal things that the only thing they could do was to put a cd in a cdj and touch play!!!
You hippies rule - you get epicly fucked up and listen to shitty music, but when you go see artists get fucked up and play shitty music, you whine on the internets.
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they didn´t made anything else, just one track of the mixer and one cdj!!! A playback fake from one of the most recognized artists in the trance cene...
What did you expect? Was this your first Psy-trance gig? An Israeli wailing on a guitar with one foot on a monitor is what you get when you go see crappy artists in crappy parties. Fuck, I thought I'd never say this but even the inbred salmiak eating drunkard racist Finns are starting to put some effort into their game.
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one of them (the guy with the long hair) were so drunk that he couldn´t be on stage,
The thing is, sometimes when you hug a tree the trunk is so big you miss the obvious - This is proper rock'n'roll. Maybe a bit on the disrespectful side, but that guy still has more nuts than an average psy-trance first aid tent.
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the other was speaking with everybody...
NO!? NOT REALLY?! THAT'S JUST WRONG! I feel you brother.
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the strangest was that they opened the laptops to make the fake more credible!!!
I had to open my laptop to troll hippies, so why wouldn't they?
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Lisbon, again drunk, again the same material they asked, but this time they didn´t used the cdj... they used a Ipod!!! uhau is this true??? yes it is and Astral did it!!!
CD's suck dicks anyhow, can't really blame the guys.
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and the top of the top´s: one of them were so drunk that he falled from the stage with the face in the floor!!!! yeah what a great artists you are . . .
Yeah man! They ROCK ON allright! The more I think about this, the more I'm starting to hope that their next live is played over the internets in shitty real audio format, with webcam video of the guys getting fucking smashed on kosher wine or whatever the fuck they drink down there and watching porn.
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then they wanted to receive the money
I think I'd start destroying shit if I was drunk out of my mind in Lisbon, at some second-rate psy trance party full of people bitching about me talking to the guests and posing with my AWESOME NORDS, with no money to go back home? Yes, I would.
I'd also fall flat down on my face just to see if I die or wake up in my bed from the nightmare.
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and the conversation was:
astral proj.: "WHERE IS MY MONEY!"???!!!
party producer: "WHERE IS MY LIVE ACT"???!!!
astral proj.: "I WANT MY MONEY"!!!! IM FROM ISRAEL"???!!!
Now this is the first thing that I really have to disagree with the AP guys. Portugal, or rest of the world for that matter, is not USA, so I doubt AIPAC has any grip on them.
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and the party producer beat in him twice
Bitching leads to bitch slapping.
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this is a true story and if you want to book astral proj. in the material list put a Ipod because they will need it hehehe
Well, I would first like to congratulate you on finding your way to your first electronic music party.
I hope you're not put off by the fact that most "live acts" are:
1. either crooked like a motherfucker, like these aforementioned little pranksters
2. Not gifted enough to play live
3. Just simply too broke to make it look awesome
4. Not worried about nodding their heads behind a laptop, wiping their noses clean of the blow they snorted from some ugly hippie skags boobs.
I briefly scrolled through all the 18 excruciatingly painful pages of dumbness and a few of you guys had some valid points (I think), but you probably waved them off as trolls like all the bitching girly-men do.
I think one of those who had a point was that one guy with the black and yellow and ugly as hell avatar, although I think he's also a bit too emo.
However, it obviously isn't entirely clear how big a hassle it is to set you ungrateful dipshits up with a proper live set.
Mentioned was Richie Hawtin, who, aside rocking your balls so damn hard the tremors destroy worlds lightyears away, has some custom gear & software to go with it especially designed for his live acts (not much unlike µCapps midibox-platform I think). That, and a shitload of other crap.
As mentioned, Hardfloor, Rob Acid and a few other acts got tons of gear on stage too, which is quite a lot of shit even with one TR-909, a few 303's and a couple of racks. The cabling of even one groovebox can destroy a soul.
That said, don't expect people to pay thousands of euros (fuck dollars you poor bitches, bow to your european masters) to drag your sorry ass all the way down from Israel just to see you wobble about the stage drunk as a motherfucker and tipping shit and yourself over while the gig is playing from a cd.
Yeah I kinda lost it there but I was saying that it's dumb as fuck to compare psy trance to techno - other than to mention that where techno has testicles the size of milky way, psytrance is for emo pussies.
Especially when talking about live acts, one must understand that most techno acts have been around for ages and the scene still more or less revolves around drum machines and the sound and compositions are rather minimal.
Most of the legendary shit like 80's Roland drum machines have internal sequencers and a shitload more hands on control than a touch pad and a mouse.
This makes the live act look a whole lot more live, but it doesn't necessarily mean that it's somehow more difficult than triggering loops and audiotracks on a S/W Seq.
If one was to find physical equivalents of VST's used on a psy-trance track, it might prove surprisingly fucked up both economically and ergonomically. There just are some things that need premeditated sequencing.
Playing 5-8 keyboards, triggering samplers and fiddling about with drum machines - not to mention the racks of effects needed - is not as easy as it sounds, so as long the artist keeps on trying, it's all good.
That said, I really hope you all would just shut the fuck up already and go see acts you know want to give a bang for your buck.
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Posted : Dec 21, 2007 21:36
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On 2007-12-21 21:14, Nigatron wrote:
I think one of those who had a point was that one guy with the black and yellow and ugly as hell avatar, although I think he's also a bit too emo.
Of course I'm emo - I like psytrance, and as you said:
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...psytrance is for emo pussies.
Wouldn't surprise me if you showed the occasional emo pussy tendency too as shown by your evident familiarity with IM's pre-shit work and various aspects of the psytrance scene
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Posted : Dec 23, 2007 16:25
nothing new here......
i went to see astral projection "live" in portugal a few years ago, conviced i was going to see a real good show from psy pioneers......all i got was a mediocre back2back dj set, performed by two straight-faced guys in sunglasses.....
but the equipment was all there....a huge mixer, computer, keyboards, everything.....nothing was touched....
i see they still have the same "live act" since then...
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Posted : Dec 28, 2007 12:16
Really matters little whether the 99.9% of lives are really acts live acts, we can talk about degrees of live acts, IM could be a good example of a live act with a high degree of "live" are kite, ticon acts with a high degree of professionalism wing when making a real presentation, I have seen other "live acts" which are a type 2 hours dancing in front of a lap top, that at the end of the day is the same as if even touched the face CD, or an ipod record player, it does not matter if this happens while the type and adding new unpublished sounds a theme old, either from accompanying with a pad, to play the song in full nordlead. Viruses, or from their control vst midi, singing from a vocecoder something new to an air of originality to the concert so if it is regrettable is that the "artist" does not touch anything duration of the concert copper thousands dlls and take a little attitude apparently as a positive step with AP, a good detail that the artist is alarge or make new effects even familiar theme gives a plus and the public will be happy to sleep
AP is unfortunate that do this and the 99.9% WHY NOT DO IT IS WELL DONE, a vote for the artists who are prepared to play their music live
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Posted : Dec 28, 2007 23:26
why singgle out AP?
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Posted : Dec 28, 2007 23:50
the just played in greece was exellent with 2 mac
2 sinths 24 chanell consol and they didnt have not even 1 drink only cola and water i dont know why i hear all this crap
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Posted : Dec 29, 2007 19:36
Two of the best sound engineers of the Psy-Trance world. All the best.
Bom
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Posted : Jan 9, 2008 07:31
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On 2007-05-01 19:09, mubali wrote:
Fuck that...
If you're going to come, come for the music... not for fame. not because you were some big name 10 years ago... Just come and give it your best because you like to play music and you like going to parties.. I charge less because it's not about money, it's the chance to share this part of your soul with like minded people... If you just take bookings with no regard of who it's for, then maybe it's not about the music for you... I try to be reasonable for serious promoters that I like their vibe... If I don't like the people throwing the party, I won't take the booking... It doesn't matter how much they offer.... If it's not in the spirit, then I become part of the problem and not part of the solution....
My sentiments exactly and therefore by far the best comment of this thread.
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Posted : Jan 9, 2008 20:24
+1
to use your head you have to go out of your mind
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Posted : Jan 10, 2008 03:35
I know Mubali moderately well and he is one of the VERY FEW artists with such an attitude, it amazes me. Besides being a down to earth, humble guy he is also in this scene for all the 'right' reasons
However, we can't really expect every artist to have the same intentions can we? Everyones needs vary.
But, despite AP providing us with some of THE most amazing music in the golden age, this is no valid excuse IMO.
Two of the best sound engineers of the Psy-Trance world. All the best.
