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EYB
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Posted : Dec 25, 2004 01:03
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What has a kindergarten to do with stealing. Are children thiefs or what?
I don't understand u in this point.
And yes of course it doesn't excuses, but no thief can complain about other thiefs, got it?
And u never copied a cd or doenloaded a track, right?
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HandA
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Posted : Dec 25, 2004 02:46
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On 2004-12-25 01:03, EYB wrote:
What has a kindergarten to do with stealing. Are children thiefs or what?
I don't understand u in this point.
And yes of course it doesn't excuses, but no thief can complain about other thiefs, got it?
And u never copied a cd or doenloaded a track, right?
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I meant that some of you act as if you were kids in a Kindergarden.
As for your question. it's not worth the time to answer! |
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suomi guy
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Posted : Dec 25, 2004 02:56
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oh PLS, artists give their tracks to friends and ppl they know and then they complain the tracks got to the net and being trade.
you have no one to blame except yourselves, learn to keep your stuff in your hands.
"My single one to cross the ways that have heart, any way that has heart. That way I cross, and the only test that is worth is to cross all its length. And that way I cross watching, watching, out of breath"
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EYB
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Posted : Dec 25, 2004 03:01
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On 2004-12-25 02:56, suomi guy wrote:
oh PLS, artists give their tracks to friends and ppl they know and then they complain the tracks got to the net and being trade.
you have no one to blame except yourselves, learn to keep your stuff in your hands.
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No no never keep for urself, share share share 
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Pavel
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Posted : Dec 25, 2004 12:47
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I can't see the problem here. For me it's very easy.
You use software, you succeed, you release music and make live shows? Buy the software.
You download the albums, you like it, you enjoy it, buy the original copy.
I'm sorry dear HandA, how do you suggest we test the CDs before we buy? 3 minutes in saikosounds at very low quality? I never buy blindly cds. Except for really few selected artists that don't need my prelisten.
Sorry, my Karma is clean. If i like something i got FREE i WILL buy. If i'll start to make money with tunes i made with software i WILL buy it.
My karma is clean. I buy enough cds. Much more than all my close friends currently are. And without Internet i wouldn't even get exposed to this kind of music.
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H2O
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Posted : Dec 25, 2004 14:22
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Software and Music is about respect to it's producers. Pavel is right here, if you like you buy but to know if you like you should check.
Handa, do you blame mp3 and stolen music for your unsuccess at music scene in post couple of years? |
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HandA
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Posted : Dec 25, 2004 15:30
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On 2004-12-25 14:22, H2O wrote:
Software and Music is about respect to it's producers. Pavel is right here, if you like you buy but to know if you like you should check.
Handa, do you blame mp3 and stolen music for your unsuccess at music scene in post couple of years?
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uhhhhhh I see someone that feel hit by my words and therefore have to become personal and start the endless same pointing fingers to all artist that dare to speak against mp3 and trading! If I was unsucessful or not (Oh no I did not release Full ON Supermarket music - I am an failure...sigh) got nothing to do with the fact that people steal artists music and even seem proud of it! basta! |
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HandA
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Posted : Dec 25, 2004 15:34
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On 2004-12-25 12:47, Pavel wrote:
I can't see the problem here. For me it's very easy.
You use software, you succeed, you release music and make live shows? Buy the software.
You download the albums, you like it, you enjoy it, buy the original copy.
I'm sorry dear HandA, how do you suggest we test the CDs before we buy? 3 minutes in saikosounds at very low quality? I never buy blindly cds. Except for really few selected artists that don't need my prelisten.
Sorry, my Karma is clean. If i like something i got FREE i WILL buy. If i'll start to make money with tunes i made with software i WILL buy it.
My karma is clean. I buy enough cds. Much more than all my close friends currently are. And without Internet i wouldn't even get exposed to this kind of music.
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Again you fail to see my point! I never said that it's wrong to download before buying! I said it's wrong to download WITHOUT buying as the majority of people do these days!
AND I never said that artists shouldn't buy the software. I said that I am tired of watching people, as an excuse for downloading mp3's, turn the ball around and blaim artists for not buying software when they rather should take a good look at themselves and ask themselves why they dont pay for the music. See my point or do i have to spell it ut more clear? |
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H2O
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Posted : Dec 25, 2004 16:15
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This is not an excuse but it is wrong the same. Although, artists as the respectful part of music scene should be the first who fight against piracy to teach against piracy.
This it was a moral part of discussion if you like.
Reality is when artists and software developers get much more money with warez than without, i think you clever enough to understand why.
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HandA
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Posted : Dec 25, 2004 16:18
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On 2004-12-25 16:15, H2O wrote:
This is not an excuse but it is wrong the same. Although, artists as the respectful part of music scene should be the first who fight against piracy to teach against piracy.
This it was a moral part of discussion if you like.
Reality is when artists and software developers get much more money with warez than without, i think you clever enough to understand why.
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I haven't said anything else! And i agree with you that artisst of course have to pay for the software they use!
Nb! peronally I would love to see more use Hardware instead of the shitty software synths  yes yes - off topic !
I just fail to see the point in why you link this to people not supporting artists and instead steal the music? So what your saying is that if artists start to buy their software then all the the music lovers out there will start to buy their music? is that what your saying?
Some facts (news for many I guess):
The majority of those who listen to psy/full on, ambient, progressive ect. do not know the first thing about what equipment the artists use! It's only a small handful (geeks LOL) that are interested in this aspect of the artists music! The rest know absolutely nothing about production, software, mastering ect ect. And therfore they also dont know the first thing about if artists use cracked or legal software. Heck they dont even think about it! BUT they still download music and trade it for free So where's the link to people downloading music versus artists using cracked software? Yes there's a moral issue - I Agree. But even if all artists tomorrow bought legal software none og the people stealing msuic would turn around and say " Now we got to buy music" |
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H2O
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Posted : Dec 25, 2004 16:24
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It is not Harry Potter, my dear, world is not about magic. Sure fact is that if artists will fight against piracy in public then large amount of music downloaders will see the point to buy music. To buy something virtual(non real) you should have a respect to author.
I think ppl will have at least moral duty to buy music which is better than nothing. |
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HandA
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Posted : Dec 25, 2004 16:30
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On 2004-12-25 16:24, H2O wrote:
Sure fact is that if artists will fight against piracy in public then large amount of music downloaders will see the point to buy music.
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But isent that exactly what some of the artists do? They try to fight piracy but everytime they try they have to face accusations and all sort of excuses from all the pirates!
I don't blaim artists from chicken out (as so many do) and keep quite. If artists dare to speak out about Piracy they are attacked by all the pirates on personal levels and told their music suck and that music should be free and that they are capitalists that just want to milk the scene. |
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H2O
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Posted : Dec 25, 2004 16:35
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Point me to such discussion when artist from this scene tried to fight software piracy. You can't when i can point you to discussion when artists claim to use warezed software. |
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HandA
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Posted : Dec 25, 2004 16:41
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To be honest I dont bother to search the whole forum just to make you believe me. But if you bother I know you can find more than one older topic in this forum where more than one artists incl. myslef have tried to debate against piracy just to see various excuses and to be called various names and insulted on personal levels such as "Your music suck", "You just want money" ect. Actually there's a few of those topics in this forum. That is if they are not deleted by the moderators?
I know I have had the debate in here in the past and I know some other atists did too incl. Bim who's a label manager / DJ.
BUT many artists keep away from these debates because they are afraid they'll loose popularity |
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H2O
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Posted : Dec 25, 2004 16:55
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Lol, ok then. I thought you always was debating about evil software and that artists should use hardware instead, like you do because you spent alot of money on it but seems my memory is short term. Bim, he is nice guy i'm sure but i'm pretty damn sure 50% of Midijum artists do not use legal software and Bim the last who care.
I'm cool to do test, we will take real names of Midijum artists and their software, then will ask companys who provide such software if the software registered to real names of artists. I don't like to say that but Midijum will not be a label after that. |
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