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arrangement for psytrance
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bukboy
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Posted : Jan 19, 2006 13:19
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Hi everybody.
Does NE1 know about arranging resources for psytrance?
It seems like arranging, an already nebulous art to find books on in popular music, is learnt by trial & error in trance. Does NE1 know NE decent shortcuts?
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dtd
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Posted : Jan 19, 2006 14:46
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i think arrangement is learnt by listening to other tracks and, if you can, see how ppl react on a certain arrangement, for example if you play as a dj on gigs. analyze your favourite tracks, that's all about this magic  |
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diskOtek
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Posted : Jan 19, 2006 15:18
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yes!i was always wondering if all producers learn about arrangement by experience or someone shows them the way?
always wanted to do this question!
thanks bukboy
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martyn
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Posted : Jan 19, 2006 15:54
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i read a nice thought from "der dritte raum" recently: he said "if you can dance then you can compose, too".
but there's also an article about psytrance out there in the net, the link was posted here before.
 www.myspace.com/mentris |
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martyn
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Posted : Jan 19, 2006 15:55
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diskOtek
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Posted : Jan 19, 2006 16:04
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really interesting!
and nice stuff about all tracks presented!
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e-motion
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Posted : Jan 19, 2006 16:04
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you can't learn creativity by reading something, only by listening to psy. there's no better way than listening. i can't give you tips here, altough many say arranging is hard, for me it's the easiest phase in the production of the track... oh i can give you a tip... try dancing to your track. this works for me
another way is listening to a track from your favorite artists, analyze it and write the different parts somewhere (like: 16 bar of intro, 8 bar kick and bass, ..., 8 bar break, 8 bar build up, 24 bar bombing). this way you can have a better view of a track.
EDIT: another tip is use automation a lot. |
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Elad
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Posted : Jan 19, 2006 19:25
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martyn
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Posted : Jan 19, 2006 19:28
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On 2006-01-19 19:25, tsabeat wrote:
as it comes to structure.. i think i also mess up some favorite thingz i heard with some original ideas igot throu try&mistake, so its realy both
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do you mean you played your music at a party (trial) and watched the reactions of the people (error/ success) ?
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fuzzikitten
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Posted : Jan 20, 2006 00:55
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plop a favorite tune in your sequencer (cubase, logic, etc) and match the tempo to your project.
Create a midi channel and start drawing midi events in to match the major changes. You'll notice the 8/16/32/64 changes.
Great way to visually see how a track is laid out.
You can also get creative and start making midi tracks for each element, painting in a blank midi event.
In the end you should have a recreation of what a song looks like in a sequencer.
Doing this has taught me a lot about arranement. |
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martyn
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Posted : Jan 20, 2006 01:04
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nice idea, fuzzikitten, i have analyzed some tracks with paper/pencil but your method seems to be more elegant
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robomarket
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Posted : Jan 20, 2006 01:06
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Arrangement is tottaly up to the producer. How can somebody teach you what to think? That's how i see it.
Thanx for that article Martyn. That's really good. |
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diskOtek
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Posted : Jan 20, 2006 01:43
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for sure its up to everyones taste and maybe ability robomarket.
but there is also some guidelines,as for music you have the scales and harmonies and all thiz stuff but its up to u to compose! 
respect!
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Freeflow
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Posted : Jan 20, 2006 02:40
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On 2006-01-20 01:43, diskOtek wrote:
for sure its up to everyones taste and maybe ability robomarket.
but there is also some guidelines,as for music you have the scales and harmonies and all thiz stuff but its up to u to compose!
respect!
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yeah exactly
_______________To bukboy
Check the thread "Gems of compositional wisdom"
there are some good guidelines which many kinds of music can relate to...
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DJ Kontakt
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Posted : Jan 20, 2006 02:44
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i learned with experimentation and listening to the old electronic music from the late 80s / early 90s
G+ - Army Collective - Kontakt Recordings
Sie verbringen die Jahre, die zur Schule gehen, einen Job zu
erhalten, und dann verwirklichen Sie, das Sie nie ein irgendwie erhalten!
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