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mk47
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Posted : Nov 6, 2009 08:08
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eh ? and where am i telling people to not eat meat here ?
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Posted : Nov 6, 2009 13:55
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On 2009-11-06 06:26, Axis Mundi wrote:
Someone pointed out earlier that it was odd to see all the meat eaters making excuses for their actions. I agree that it is odd, but it's also odd how many people get all uppity and excited about the vegetarian lifestyle yet admit to eating meat, and many of them also use leather products, wear bone jewelry and clothing involving animal hair, feathers, teeth and other parts. Not to mention using cosmetics, soaps, certain rubber products, beeswax, household products tested on animals, and numerous others. Even some of the people arguing hardest against meat eating in this thread alone eat meat, cheese, and many other products which they won't even admit to or don't even realize. In a few cases I've seen it with my own eyes.
It's hypocrisy. If you're going to talk the talk, walk the walk also.
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Nicely said.
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moki
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Posted : Nov 6, 2009 14:16
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what is the argument against eating cheese and drinking milk if it comes from a natural environment?. i find it quite essential to do this if you are on vegetarian food.
and btw i was personally talking about eating the soul and not so much about wearing a bone jewery. my clothes dont come from animals and i do love to wear black leather similar clothes, but they are all artificial. jewerly is something rather different. i dont wear jewerly that has no " esoteric" meaning for me. same with wearing bone. i find there is much more behind this issue - if you just dig into more information about why our ancestors did this. they did wear bones or similar things because they were connected to the soul of the animal. so even this is a kind of respect towards the animal.
i was vegetarian for 10 years before i went into a relationship with a man who was not vegetarian and lived with him for many years. in this time i was eating meat from time to time, mostly becuase of financial necessity and because i was cooking for him. but now i am straight to turn back to my old way of life. i guess that it is just not good for the psyche to eat it. it might be good for certain psyches but not for mine.
and i am very soon heading to kumbha mela in india, there it is one of the very few places where it is forbidden to eat meat. the police is waiting and searching for it and then they arrest you if you do eat meat. but if you smoke grass and hashish, they dont arrest you. different cultures, different attitudes.
( the last sentence was about kumbha mela and not about the culture in india as a whole, cause the two are two different worlds).
but anyway, fast run away from this thread. i have never seen a vegetarian-anti vegetarian thread where i enjoyed staying. it is not even possible to discuss objectively, cause people always fight for their right to be right.
i say, do what you want. but do it without ignorance. if you eat flesh, then just be informed about the meatrixes where it comes from. i am talking about industrialized countries. be informed about the poison, be informed about what the animals eat before they come to your table and be informed about the true reasons of deforestation on this planet ( feeding the animals).
have fun and if someone has a good link to cooking tutorials for ayurveda vegi food - post it please  . i will be greatly thankful.
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Axis Mundi
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Posted : Nov 6, 2009 14:55
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On 2009-11-06 08:08, mk47 wrote:
eh ? and where am i telling people to not eat meat here ?
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I was meaning to imply that you weren't, where others were. Sorry if I was unclear.
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RaDioAcTiVe AcIdHeAd
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Posted : Nov 10, 2009 16:50
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On 2009-11-06 14:55, Axis Mundi wrote:
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On 2009-11-06 08:08, mk47 wrote:
eh ? and where am i telling people to not eat meat here ?
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I was meaning to imply that you weren't, where others were. Sorry if I was unclear.
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hey man, i was one of the person who talked in favour of veggies n said i ate meat too but on the path of quitting it and almost there... look... everyone realises someday and at some point of time... and sometimes it takes a while to get used to another life style,.. thats all... i am just being honest here... as long as u realise it, its fine... No need to get all uppity abt it 
Between... i don fancy leather n fur or bones n stuff or apply cosmetics...
and i don think u need to kill animals iin a horrendous ways to eat cheese and drink milk or even to get beeswax...
no i don live in a village but i get fresh milk from a happy chilled out cow straight... ppl do provide that here...
Anyways, these are all some best practises which is working for some ppl man... which they share... if u wanna change its good, else its left to u wat works best for u... Noone is trying to force anyone here nor trying to prove one is superior over the other...
Lemme tell something else also..... if u hunt in a right way in the jungle and cook that meat on a raw fire and eat or atleast u rear the animals in a right way and keep them happy and feed good things n are left to move around freely, keep them free of diseases and thanking it for the food its providing to u to survive and then maybe kill it in a very decent way and eat is something else..... it is totallly different than the meat that comes from industries, slaughter houses and meatrixes.. which is poisoned and the animals are stored and killed in a very bad way and fed with all kinda nonsense... Animals killed this way release a lot of toxins before they die too... theres is less nutrition in it and more of bad things... on top of this there is frozen n processed meat which totally sucks n is very unhealthy... upon this ppl take such kinda meat n cook fast food with it making it even worse...
So even meat eaters shud consider where their meat is coming from also and how it is cooked n what is put in it... Theres a better and healthier way to eat meat also...
The least the meat eaters can do is to thank the animal they eat for the food its providing it coz even the animal is a life force which is connected with all things just like u and me... being arrogant abt is definitely a sick thing...
Ofcourse u might argure that one thing needs to eat another thing to survive and thats the way it works n all that crap... but then again we are humans and we have a choice too... we can choose the best... and we need to evolve into something better too...
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Posted : Nov 11, 2009 09:50
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On 2009-11-06 06:26, Axis Mundi wrote:
Someone pointed out earlier that it was odd to see all the meat eaters making excuses for their actions. I agree that it is odd, but it's also odd how many people get all uppity and excited about the vegetarian lifestyle yet admit to eating meat, and many of them also use leather products, wear bone jewelry and clothing involving animal hair, feathers, teeth and other parts. Not to mention using cosmetics, soaps, certain rubber products, beeswax, household products tested on animals, and numerous others. Even some of the people arguing hardest against meat eating in this thread alone eat meat, cheese, and many other products which they won't even admit to or don't even realize. In a few cases I've seen it with my own eyes.
It's hypocrisy. If you're going to talk the talk, walk the walk also.
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Its not black and white like that I dont think. I think aggressive vegetarians can be assholes and this issue should not make people judge others for their actions or choices. A good informative debate is always welcome but when the other side starts gettin all uppity and in an egoist behaviour to prove what they are doing is "the way" it gets ugly.
On the other hand, I think judging vegetarians in an its either all or nothing attitide and accusing them of hypocricy is pretty much b.s. Its usually the defence meat eaters use. Unless you quit civilization and society, its just not going to happen that you can live according to full ideals. From the vegetarian standpoint, they are still doing lesser harm when they dont eat animals, and to accuse them of hypocracy is wrong. Its is a long road and people learn along the way.It is always good to do research about your consumption though, and balance is key.
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TimeTraveller
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Upavas
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My body usually tells me quite well what it needs, I enjoy a very wide variety of food, making sure I get enough veggies anf fruit as well. And I do enjoy meat and fish, provided they are from an organic environment!
Oh, and no excuses here either 
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wizanda
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Posted : Nov 13, 2009 16:34
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Axis Mundi
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Posted : Nov 13, 2009 16:41
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On 2009-11-13 16:34, wizanda wrote:
Its funny how people say we have teeth that can eat an animal, have you tried walking up to a cow in a field and biting it, like a dog can with canines? 
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Those people are wrong. Humans have teeth for an omnivorous diet, like many other animals. They are not purely for cutting and not purely for grinding vegetation. Also, your analogy is poor... you have to take size into account. A human could tear into a mouse, chicken, or rabbit sized animal with one's bare teeth if they wanted to/needed to, but cows are simply too big without needing to use tools. My cat has teeth for eating meat too, but its size in relationship to, say, a hippo makes it relatively unable to eat that. On the point of tools, however, a human's usage of tools is also perfectly natural and not unique to life. Otters make use of tools to crack open mollusks and shellfish, so can you argue that they are not originally meant to eat those things? Seagulls drop turtles and shellfish onto rocks to get them open as well, and some primates use sticks to fish ants and termites out of a mound. Are they somehow going against nature to acquire their food? No.
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Dogon
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Posted : Nov 23, 2009 18:34
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Steaks... mmmmmm... i lurrvvvveeeee 
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Whatist Rance
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Posted : Nov 23, 2009 20:00
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who needs vegetables?
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RaDioAcTiVe AcIdHeAd
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Posted : Nov 24, 2009 09:53
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lol... who ever said meat isnt tasty (i used to be a die hard fan of steaks ) ... ofcourse it seems tastier ...
also believe me all the other bad/Junk food tastes good too...
but thats not the point of the discussion i guess
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Freeflow
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Posted : Nov 25, 2009 08:05
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The point of the discussion might be that we are not the ones killing our meat!
And it feels very wrong.
Also the amount of meat wasted! Its just stupid and immoral..
The spread of disease´s in such environments that they keep animals locked up in... Wtf
We all gonna die, dont we want to be free till the day it happens, well i guess in this world right now we are not free! Money really got us hooked! took our freedom away! made us to whore´s
yeah humans, the whores of earth!
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RaDioAcTiVe AcIdHeAd
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Posted : Nov 25, 2009 08:26
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Humans are whores of earth... very true...
Also we are the most intelligent parasites of the highest order...
wats the most important aspect of a parasite? it latches on to a host, feeds n sucks everything out of it and when the host is dead it finds another host to do the same...
We all came to earth from somewhere... Now if u look at the earth from a distance, don we all look like parasites feeding on it (looks like earth has cancer or something), feeding and gorging on whatever we can find mercilessly... and now the the earth is gonna get fucked soon, we are all trying to find another planet to hop on to in the name of space programs... Sick... we are just like leeches...
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