| Author
|
Are you vegetarian?
|
Whatist Rance
Started Topics :
3
Posts :
274
Posted : Nov 4, 2009 17:14
|
|
Why there are vegetarians that dont eat meat because its not healthy and when they go to a festival they take acids and find its ok? |
|
|
TheOneWhoMakesYouCrazy
Started Topics :
6
Posts :
165
Posted : Nov 4, 2009 17:21
|
man go on diet and relax.Why not??
Do I kill a chemistrist when I like to fly?
Do I kill nature then?
It is your decision if you want to take acid or don't.
I would not recommend you though. |
|
|
|
moki
IsraTrance Junior Member
Started Topics :
38
Posts :
1931
Posted : Nov 4, 2009 18:23
|
Quote:
|
On 2009-11-04 17:09, John Doe® wrote:
Quote:
|
On 2009-11-04 16:10, Moki.Time.Wave.Zero wrote:
and dont forget the taurin if you are a vegetarian. your mind will miss the taurin if you stop eating meat. even a lot.
|
|
Have a Red Bull! 
Why is it okay to plant and kill, and it's bad to reproduce and kill?
|
|
and again the good old question.
no i am not killing by planting because the vegetables are designed to die every year ( well, most of those that we eat). an apple will die at the end of the season with or without my help. same with many others.
an animal is not designed to die every time you want to eat it. and if it is designed to die, then the architect wanted to see a real battle between the spirit of the animal and the spirit of the human. kill it with your naked hands if you can.
i just find ( and it is my personal view and everyone has his personal ethics in his heart so there is no one to tell you what is good and bad besides your own heart) , i just find that it is not good to reproduce animals , give them life , let them grow and keep them in prison for a whole life , just in order to have something to eat on the table. it is totally unnatural for their souls. and everything that harms a soul, will earlier or later come back to your soul as a revenge. this is my view, no one says i am right. i just think so.
i went to a meatrix ca. 10 years ago, while i was illegal in a country where i had no place to even sleep or anything to eat. they said they would give me illegal job and i found it better than anything else illegal like drug selling or prostitution and much better than even asking my family for some money. but i went three days there and it was enough for my whole life. better die than support this industry. luckily i did not die.
anyway, taurin will help you a lot. some deseaces of the mind come because you have no taurin in your body. take care to have enough taurin if you are on vegetarian food.
all nutrition additives are quite important. magnesium, calcium, vitamines. never forget them.
about the acid. simple. because it has no proven harm for the body. because it has no proven dependence. i havent taken acid since april this year and would never ever miss it. and because its inventor got 102 years old with best health.
|
|
|
|
Whatist Rance
Started Topics :
3
Posts :
274
Posted : Nov 4, 2009 19:48
|
Hey vegetables are humans best friends, you cant kill them! You should let them live till it dies and they become fertilizer!
Moki, you should come to Brazil and I will show what a good barbecue is! You will forget all these ideas and will join us in a juicy bloody meat! We don`t kill them with our hands, we buy them in the butcher where they take all the cares to clean the meat... The inventor of meat is God, and he lives forever, wanna live more? But I could take my grandpa( a true meat eater) as an example, and he lived with the best health till 98 years...
Just kidding, I respect your opinion, but I have no mercy for the animals, and I will eat them all until I`m alive, and... I also drink red bull with vodka, which gives me wings so I dont have to kill the alchemist! |
|
|
|
mk47
Inactive User
Started Topics :
118
Posts :
4444
Posted : Nov 4, 2009 21:34
|
|
moki
IsraTrance Junior Member
Started Topics :
38
Posts :
1931
Posted : Nov 5, 2009 01:52
|
Quote:
|
On 2009-11-04 21:34, mk47 wrote:
but I don`t see any reason why anyone who chooses to be a vegetarian should think of themselves as superior to those who eat meat .
|
|
....as a matter of fact i think that this " superiority or fanatism of vegetarians" is actually a projection surrounding the minds of the meat eaters themselves. i have rarely seen vegetarians who think of themselves as superior. yes, i have seen vegetarians who are concerned about their fellows and just wanna tell their friends that meat is too much poison. but i rarely see vegetarians who do it out of a feeling for superiority or out of fanatism.
i believe that the meat eaters are projecting on their surroundings their own feeling of ruined ethics in their hearts . they feel somehow deep in their hearts that they dont wanna eat a soul like that, even if this feeling is unconscious. so they project this into the outside world and FEEL LIKE the vegetarians are treating them with a touch of superiority.
anyway, yes, i was seduced a few times with tandori chicken as well, smells not so bad. but hey, in comparison to tandori vegetables...you cannot even compare .
indian food is the best vegetarian food .
|
|
|
|
ayalien
Ayalien
Started Topics :
2
Posts :
130
Posted : Nov 5, 2009 16:54
|
[/quote]
Moki.Time.Wave.Zero wrote:
and again the good old question.
no i am not killing by planting because the vegetables are designed to die every year ( well, most of those that we eat). an apple will die at the end of the season with or without my help. same with many others.
an animal is not designed to die every time you want to eat it. and if it is designed to die, then the architect wanted to see a real battle between the spirit of the animal and the spirit of the human. kill it with your naked hands if you can.
[/quote]
That's a very good point.
 http://ayalien.deviantart.com/
http://www.2to6records.com/ |
|
|
|
RaDioAcTiVe AcIdHeAd
Started Topics :
2
Posts :
443
Posted : Nov 5, 2009 23:40
|
Quote:
|
On 2009-11-04 21:34, mk47 wrote:
, but I don`t see any reason why anyone who chooses to be a vegetarian should think of themselves as superior to those who eat meat .
|
|
Well being vegetarian is not superior in a bad way... its the next step in becoming better/evolution...Definitely they are atleast one step ahead than meat eaters... Like Moki said only reason the veggies try to tell not to eat meat is because out of concern for their fellow beings, not to show that they are superior in any bad way...
Honestly even im not completely veg now... im trying and ive almost reached there... i eat very very rarely now compared to almost everyday eating i was doing earlier... but wanna stop that too... very soon even that will happen... But yeah i believe u shud stop eating meat... it changes a whole lot of things in your body and mind for better... 
? |
|
|
|
Whatist Rance
Started Topics :
3
Posts :
274
Posted : Nov 6, 2009 00:40
|
Vegs are not superior than meat eaters, or meat eaters are superior than veggies... I think the best way to live, is to make a balanced diet with both... But... If you want to go deep in the discussion, what about the psychological issues???
Do you want to have a healthier life and live longer? Being happy with yourself is the main reason.
I know people here in Brazil, that dont have money to buy their daily food, and lives more than 100 years... i know people, with the same problem, but cant get over 40....
So... whats it? is it the food? I think there are lots of things to include in the formula instead of just the food you eat... |
|
|
|
moki
IsraTrance Junior Member
Started Topics :
38
Posts :
1931
Posted : Nov 6, 2009 02:01
|
right now i am reading a book by ronald zürrer , it is called vegeterian life. recommendable reading.
vegan people throughout the history:
einstein, tesla, edison, rudolf steiner, jean-jacque rousseau, leonardo da vinci, kant, nietzsche, shopenhauer, leo tolstoi , mahatma gandhi, kafka....aristoteles, plato and pythogoras. all of them left famous quotes about the ethics of vegeterian life.
not sure if it is all about the healthy life. not sure that it is all about living up to 100 years....it is just about being in friendship with your own soul. and i notice that my soul is not designed to eat this. it is delicious sometimes, but it leaves me in dissonance.
but you are right , no one is superior to anyone.
just take a kid - it eats the meat that is served to him without any objection because it simply does not know where it comes from. if you tell the kid that it is the bunny or the donald duck what he sees on the table, he will immediately refuse to eat it. so it is all a question of missinformation. people eat the meat with no ethical objections cause they just dont know where it really comes from and how these animals live and what is inside of this meat. if they knew, they would probably not eat it.
so moral and ethics are extremely relative too. relative to the level of knowledge. and this is why you cannot really talk about vegetarian superior ethics. you can talk more about lack of information.
anyway, i would like to share a home with more people, then it makes much more sense to cook vegetarian food in bigger portions. will check this opportunity soon. ayurveda vegetarian cooking is something i would love to experiment with:). i just need to change the place and the surrounding urgently. this nord pole here is kiling my soul.
|
|
|
|
mk47
Inactive User
Started Topics :
118
Posts :
4444
Posted : Nov 6, 2009 06:09
|
yeah , the morality debate is secondary and weak , fact is , veg food is healthier , at least what we get here in India , unlike the west , where vegetarians have to bother about examining their diet about getting all their nutrients etc , im talking about home cooked food . but the meat is just so fucking tasty , and also i don't live at home so i miss mums great cooking & I have a muslim help who makes the best chicken , mutton , kebabs , biryanis .. making it completely impossible to quit , someday i will , maybe , sure want to ..lets see  |
|
|
|
mk47
Inactive User
Started Topics :
118
Posts :
4444
Posted : Nov 6, 2009 06:12
|
and lots of people i know also went veg , regular folk , who loved it and weren't conditioned to think its bad , like is the case sometimes with Hindus etc , so i respect that they used their discretion and made the choice
|
|
|
|
Axis Mundi
Axis Mundi
Started Topics :
75
Posts :
1848
Posted : Nov 6, 2009 06:26
|
Someone pointed out earlier that it was odd to see all the meat eaters making excuses for their actions. I agree that it is odd, but it's also odd how many people get all uppity and excited about the vegetarian lifestyle yet admit to eating meat, and many of them also use leather products, wear bone jewelry and clothing involving animal hair, feathers, teeth and other parts. Not to mention using cosmetics, soaps, certain rubber products, beeswax, household products tested on animals, and numerous others. Even some of the people arguing hardest against meat eating in this thread alone eat meat, cheese, and many other products which they won't even admit to or don't even realize. In a few cases I've seen it with my own eyes.
It's hypocrisy. If you're going to talk the talk, walk the walk also.
|
|
|
|
mk47
Inactive User
Started Topics :
118
Posts :
4444
Posted : Nov 6, 2009 06:44
|
Quote:
|
axis mundi wrote: 
. If you're going to talk the talk, walk the walk also
|
|
eh ? this is a discussion man , not a raging for and against debate (yet)  .. and I expressed my own views , whats hypocritical in that ? i also smoke a pack a day , but i know its unhealthy , i also smoke too much pot and i know it makes me less productive , i recognize that those are not good things .. be cool mundi
|
|
|
|
Axis Mundi
Axis Mundi
Started Topics :
75
Posts :
1848
Posted : Nov 6, 2009 07:41
|
The difference is you are not telling people not to smoke while you are smoking yourself.  But fine, if that's cool, then let them go on, by all means, and others will go on not taking them seriously.
|
|
|
|
|
