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Are the latest trends in electronic music related to Psy... or not?

Forza
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Posted : Aug 21, 2006 19:48
Hi guys!

What's your opinion about the latest trends in electronic music, like Electro, Minimal and Microhouse. are they Psychedelic? and if they are is this another kind of psychedelia or it is related and infuenced by Psychedeic trance and vicevera?

I'll start leaving my opinion.

I think that while not necesarily trance related, new trends in electronic music have became increasingly abstract, minimalistic and psychedelic, whether this is influenced by the need of breaking the boundaries or limits of standard electronic music or by the influence of new generations of producers or both, we can't deny the fact given the presence of sounds used in trance in this music, that there must be some kind of infuence. or at least a shared pursuit of a more complex and abstract music, something very interesting also is how trance in all their flavors and branches is starting to be heavily influenced by this styles too.

whether this is good or not, and if this has some relation to trance or it's a completely diferent branch of music is up to you to decide.

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psytheriatsunami
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Posted : Aug 23, 2006 01:47
well man, i think you are very right.

it hapens in all music.and some branches even become "comercial"
then when the time passes the results in the meme pool of psy trance will show us what branches are stronger wich are exinct but classic (wich then generate another retro wave) and wich just went forgotten.
HaKa
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Posted : Aug 24, 2006 23:51
In my personal opinion, i dont like Electro, that genre is totally popullar in this moment, i think electro will be dead sooner or later...

like i told: is my personal opinion only...
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MॐZC4L1†0
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Posted : Aug 25, 2006 08:41
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On 2006-08-25 00:02, Substance/Atari.1 wrote:


by the way... whats wrong with commercial music?



LOL finally, now everything makes more sense...

I know 4 sure that some of this trends have certain psychedelic touches... Take a look at Phat Jack, David Amo & Julio Navas, D-nox, Beckers, Krumelur... none of this is psytrance, and the xperience with this music its even more psychedelic than the xperience with current Psychedelic-Trance ªª           Memento Mori
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Posted : Aug 26, 2006 01:38
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On 2006-08-25 08:41, MॐZC4L1†0 wrote:

LOL finally, now everything makes more sense...

I know 4 sure that some of this trends have certain psychedelic touches... Take a look at Phat Jack, David Amo & Julio Navas, D-nox, Beckers, Krumelur... none of this is psytrance, and the xperience with this music its even more psychedelic than the xperience with current Psychedelic-Trance ªª




Well im not agreeing on this, especially the thing about Krumelur not being psychedelic trance.

As for electro, i sometimes see some psycehdelic influence which naturally pleases me. However i find it disturbing that this music, and by that i mean (non-psy)electro, has found its way to the psychedelic dancefloors (as in boom). This music as with commercial music allready have loads of dancefloors at disco's, clubs and festivals all over the world, the genre itself has without doubt existed longer than psy/goatrance, and i dont think it belongs together.... at least not the stuff ive been presented for so far...
One might ask "why?" and my answer is: 'Cause its not intentionally psychedelic.

If you are refering to the general isradance when you write "current Psychedelic-Trance" then we might agree here. But if you look to the roots of this culture, and the underground that follows i think your far off.

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On 2006-08-25 00:02, Substance/Atari.1 wrote:


by the way... whats wrong with commercial music?



The problem with the term commercial is that "its about making money" -Music is art, psychedelic trance is about navigating trips.... So how would you like your trip navigated by money?

For me commercial is = trip killer!

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Posted : Aug 26, 2006 03:34
I totally disagree with Haka.... Electro music is more oldskool than psytrance.. electro started in the early 80s ..mmhmm maybe late 70s..and psytrance in the late 80s almost 90s.. i think that early psytrance have allot of influence of 80s electro and 60s-70s psychedelic-progressive rock music... then i dont think that electro will be dead soon.. neither psytrance.. they both will evolve.. like their have been evolving this past 25 years..

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psytheriatsunami
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Posted : Aug 26, 2006 05:44
I think that PEGG80X is verr right.

Electro cant just disapear, all musical influences just go to sleep for some years but they never actually disapear.

just think from the side of the listener.

to be comercial

or

not to be comercial

fully depends in who is actually listening the music.

that may explain the one hit wonder phenomena!

the main force of this are the AUDIENCES and their filthy money.

they can turn any band or artist into actually change the style of his music
raching the point of "comercial sound".

you know, when music sounds very sticky, sometimes really dumb, but in general are songs with 2 main qualities.

+are easy to remember.

+and promotes the image of the artist or another unrelated fashion stuff, product, sex, watever.

this doesnt mean a comercial song has to be intended to make big bucks when created.

and doesnt mean that underground music has no intention in earn some or lot of cash. and i think they do!,
i mean everybody wants to live from doing what you like doesnt it?

Now back into psychedelic trance i think the future depends on us the listeners.
i will feel really bad if psytrance reaches the comercial grounds, iwould prefer that it sleeps for some years and then violently and gloriously reborn.
Forza
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Posted : Aug 30, 2006 02:41
It's very good that this topic sprung some debate (which was the idea) and that everybody has a different idea of this is very good.

I decided to write this post because, you know every genre has many branches, and sometimes we create prejudices on our mind towards some genre because we have only been exposed to it's more comercial brand, for example, many people mentioned here that electro and house are music created with the intention of making money, which is true in a lot of cases, but it is also true in many psychedelic trance music and artists.

The opposite is also true in the case of the more underground branches of trance and electro or house, which were the ones that made me write this post.

I believe that there is a really big retro wave in the music and combined with that is the desire to break the rules of standard dance music. and this is exactly what is happening, while a lot of genres are coming back, (like electro) other genres are also incarnating in them, for example a lot of "underground electro" reminds me of early goa/psytrance, but with a cutting edge sound (alien attack from pablo barbosa comes to my mind as I write this) also like someone said, a lot of genres are becoming increasingly psychedelic and trippy, like manga or i choose anger (look for the rmixes of h-man )

so in my very humble opinion, these genres fit in whithing the psytrance family for 2 reasons

1 that retro sound from the early goa/psy or minimal trance days is attracting several artists that were previously identified with the trance scene like d-nox for example

2 that the music is soooo trippy and psychedelic that fits just right at certain hours in a trance festival, if it weren't so then there wouldn't be that much at trance festivals around the world.

As a conclusion I would like to add in my very humble and particular opinion, that most psy (as well as most electronic dance music genres) have become very standarized, that much that if you start a track, and use a 16th bassline with many notes, people will say cool dude, fullon! how did people know that? because we all associate a bassline like that with fullon! and the same could apply to all genres, with the exception of the newest trends of micro, electro and minimal (and obviously psy)

what is happening on those? that they are getting ideas from other genres, and they are also breaking standards, I guess that's why they are starting to receive attention
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Substance/Atari.1
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Posted : Sep 4, 2006 05:13
well i erased my reply cuz i thought there was no sense to ask such question in here. but thank god! the other replies put myself to think!.

i been listening a lot to a bit of old music this days and i noticed the huge change into it!, now days i think often that many of the tracks i hear had the electro touch, wich is cool, cuz i like it, but i also liked the old tracks wich have less breaks, and are more steady to say something.

but since this isnt gonna walk back in time, i believe that the direction and music mixtures are breaking the standard that was setten for a couple of years, nowdays lots of ppl who didnt listened something like 4 years before "psy" music (wich i dont think is psy anymore)
does now, probably not the ones each of us would like... but perhaps if they keep the interest theyll get deeper into listening other artist wich are not preciselly known.
so im happy that the trends work for other kinds of genres.

about the commercial thing wich i made a bit offtopic well... many points of view about it, mostly seeing commercial music as a negative thing, but isnt the one behind music expecting to be listened and get success out of it ? ive seen some fans of some artists that as soon as they start getting fully booked, realeasing lots of tracks and living their own way. some ppl backs off. so... what will u do when ur favorite artist reach a success stage on his career? will u still liking it ?
alfreak
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Posted : Sep 5, 2006 00:34
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On 2006-09-04 05:13, Substance/Atari.1 wrote:


many points of view about it, mostly seeing commercial music as a negative thing, but isnt the one behind music expecting to be listened and get success out of it ? ive seen some fans of some artists that as soon as they start getting fully booked, realeasing lots of tracks and living their own way. some ppl backs off. so... what will u do when ur favorite artist reach a success stage on his career? will u still liking it ?




i would say if the artist doesnt change his/their/her style i would be still like the project. Im not really guy that doesnt like something cuz its way too commercial, if i like it, i like it cuz it sounds good to me and period, i dont really care if people says the music sounds to commercial/cheesy/dark.

in the other hand, if his/their/her style changes, thats another story and i just hope it changes in a good way.

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hibreed


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Posted : Oct 4, 2006 23:13
well, from my point of view i think that the boundaries between genres is getting fuzzy/blurry. and besides the fact that there are more artists, more events and the distribution is also faster(the internet) maybe new audio programs let more people make traxx and i guess theres more influences.
psytrance has always been some of the hardest music to produce, imho, a lot of changes etc, so i think electro is house with new hardware, programs and of course skillz to compose muzik. very influenced by the past.
the only direction psy has been going is darker & faster, thats where the most innovative artists are now, as far as i can see and hear. other new creative artists are kind of in the fuzzy lines between psy/prog/electro/techno/minimal etc...
Forza
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Posted : Oct 15, 2006 20:54
First of all I want to thank everybody for their interest in this topic and for their replies which have made me reflect a lot.

I also want to say that we are now stepping into a very interesting stage of electronic music because a lot of patterns that made it possible are starting to break or blur, like hibreed said this is due to faster distribuiton, better technology to make music and I also think it is because of the digital revolution that sites like beatport or myspace have started, now everybody can express their ideas and feelings more freely because they don't have to be approved by labels who are looking the true and tried stuff because it sells.

What is happening with this? that musicians are starting to experiment in ways they didn't before and people is getting exposed to different styles that they didn't know existed before (that is why i don't see nothing wrong in having parties with psychedelic trance, electro, minimal tech and breakbeats)

Also, a lot of people is looking back in the search for answers so a lot of the newer styles are using the original sounds found in classic analogue synthesizers or a very 80's influenced sound (with atari or intellivision samples included) But that's not all! there is also a goa wave coming back but it's just being expressed in a different way.

And last but not least one of the most amazing things that are happening is that brave producers are venturing in unknown territory breaking the rule of 4/4 (something that is a must for all kinds of dance music) and making music in 3/4, 7/8 and using modern chord progressions, different scales or no scales at all! obviously most of this newer approach to music is not dance oriented, but it is very interesting anyway and it's just a glance of what will be the future of music.

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Posted : Oct 16, 2006 18:52
IMO chill out/ambient/freestyle electronic music many times present more diversity, innovation and add refreshness to the scene.

But I really think that the real challenge is to make innovative, brand new danceable electronic music. The producer who achieve this will not only throw himself in the vanguard of psy, but also stabilish his own style and found himself respected and admired by the psyscene.

This will probably be done by gathering influences from many styles and waves of electronic music, but also the artist must imprint in the music his own creative fingerprint.

Now answering to Substance/Atari.1:
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On 2006-09-04 05:13, Substance/Atari.1 wrote:
ive seen some fans of some artists that as soon as they start getting fully booked, realeasing lots of tracks and living their own way. some ppl backs off. so... what will u do when ur favorite artist reach a success stage on his career? will u still liking it ?



There are two different aspects here:

1 - The artist become really more commercial.
Examples can be Astrix and Sesto Sento. Their production quality is excellent. Some ideas are original, but overall their music is not unexpected. You hear a new track by them an you know it's "da bomb", but also you probably can guess who did it and it is nothing really really different. Also these projects are "models to be copied".

2 - The artist becomes overplayed. For example Domestic and maybe Sub6. Every track is a hit. Every DJ plays it while it is still unreleased, probably including mp3s...
Their music is usually excellent in all aspects, but as a DJ I would not play them, unless under specific circunstances, because it won't add something new/unexpected to my sets.


In both cases above I will probably still like the music, but somehow I will not be as eager to get it as I was to get their very first productions. These artists are very busy, and the public, labels and fans expect them to keep on their styles releasing new bombs.

Curiosity and the quest for new opinions, suggestions and feedback is an excellent way to begin something new. And that's why Forza is on the right way...
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Posted : Oct 20, 2006 17:53
Well in my opinion vintage is the word... Not only in music but all the past is combining with future here. Good old models that worked perfectly well in the past getting into a fusion with new and fresh ideas.
If we see the posive way of this, it gives us a well-known style with some new colors and and what we get? Some really nice innovating things.

Getting into music, which is our issue, i think electro, minimal and psytrance are some genres we all know for some years, this are not new waves, and for some ppl it might get a little to much of the same. But we cant discuss the fact they were always there, and if its coming back we have also to think that its because ppl want in some sort of way good old music.

But here´s the catch, if we see this with good eyes we are facing the beginning of a new wave were freestyle music is getting stronger.

Why should we create boundries for music? I mean we all know that music is divided in genres, but sometimes divisions create limits and this limits can be dangerous, cause what should matter the most is been creative, how many times have u listened to music u have never heard and enjoy it, what if u get some of that influence and stick it in with your own very personal sign?

and about the commercial issues... Well lets be honest, we all need money... Face it, and we have to offer what we know how to do the best no? What if ustarted making music, and ppl just love ur style and bring u to play everywhere and u´ve got interviews, photo sessions, etc. Would u not want it? After all it was ur effort, ur inspiration...
THe problem here is not being commercial or not, the problem here is realeasing good music and there are ears for every tune in this life... What u dont like, well some one will come fter u and say its a piece of art.
So here is all about tastes and respect.
Astrix came commercial but i havent found a single soul that doesnt accept his production quality... And he knows how to do it.

For me i will focuse only in what my ears and heart likes and enjoys;)

And let the freestyle amaze u with the great things that are coming
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