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are distributions ripping labels?
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psytik
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Posted : Jan 25, 2013 07:48:59
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are distributions like saiko sounds,wirikuta,arabesque, ripping off lables ? i want release a cd is almost all dine for new label ,but i dont know if is better to do distribution by self of do it with a distribution company thanks |
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Gizmo77
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Posted : Jan 25, 2013 09:00
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IF You're opening new label IMO better is to ask for help distribtors
Advantage - they are in contact in most of importants psy shops allover world & sending them cds, so for sure U'r cd will be present everywhere, but You must remember all marketing of this release is ON YOUR side
Disadvantage - U'll receive around 6 EUR for each sold CD
You can try by Yourself, but its almost sure that U'll sell this way about 20 copies, or maybe little more. As You see most of major labels are working with distributors, You have to be very important & known label to try own distro (like Ultimae, Parvati)
The best way is to give most of the cds to distro & couple of cds sell by Yourself.
 http://www.discogs.com/sell/list?seller=Gizmex |
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faxinadu
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Posted : Jan 26, 2013 00:37
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Nidopsog
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Posted : Jan 26, 2013 16:26
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On 2013-01-26 00:37, faxinadu wrote:
donno about labels, but the current system of digital download profit sharing rips the artists that's for sure.
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They claim, even Beatspace crew themselves says, that all the profits and sales made on digitall dloads goes directly to the artist/label's bank account...... yet, no matter how convenient or how much one might find it, the instantaneous digital relase and dload, i dont believe that the artist gets all the sales,UNLESS hes got his own BANDCAMP page like KinDzaDza for instance, (and quite a few artists like Dark Elf, Zik, etc) rather, i believe its the label instead of the distributor that takes away all of sales most probably fairly shared and equally divided between them*no matter how many ppl might the label consist of* and the Artist, him/herself  So in any case, thats the reason why I believe that self-distribution through BANDCAMP* and perhaps other digitall platforms (i believe u can also sell trax digitally on SoundCloud) is the only way in the future where an artist can get the true nominal value for his art&production
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Nidopsog
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Posted : Jan 26, 2013 16:27
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So the BIG Question here is not about distributors ripping labels, imho, but instead, if Labels are ripping off ARTISTS themselves..
" No bird soars too high if he soars with his own wings " |
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TimeTraveller
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Posted : Jan 26, 2013 19:52
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On 2013-01-26 16:27, Nidopsog wrote:
So the BIG Question here is not about distributors ripping labels, imho, but instead, if Labels are ripping off ARTISTS themselves..
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From my expirience this is a very important question. I guess it is very hard to find a label that is fair to the artist. A contract also should be really read before signed.
Best is to release on own, when sound is desired but sometimes it is not easy to get the cash and organiztion all the stuff around it connections to shops maybe media etc but I guess a rip off is rather usual.
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Nectarios
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Posted : Jan 27, 2013 07:21
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There are still labels that pay a couple of hundreds of euros to release a track, even to new/unknown people like my self. That is good cash for one track + when they pay that much in advance to release it, you know they will follow through with promotion to get the sales they need to cover their costs.
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PoM
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Posted : Jan 27, 2013 16:55
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On 2013-01-26 00:37, faxinadu wrote:
donno about labels, but the current system of digital download profit sharing rips the artists that's for sure.
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cause there is more producers releasing than guys buying music... ok bad joke.. |
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DETOX
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Posted : Jan 27, 2013 20:54
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Not a joke at all dear PoM. Thats actually the problem that destroyed most of the noteworthy labels when the small market got flooded with shit releases every month from people who founded their own labels to release their own music........
Toodaloo Motherfuckers!!!!! |
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demoniac
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Posted : Jan 28, 2013 01:48
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Login
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Posted : Jan 28, 2013 19:25
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are there any labels still around?
I think the last 4 years the distribution/label ecossytem of psytrance has become a total joke and chaos. It's very sad, new artist have to do all it their own.
"The dedication to repetition — the search for nirvana in a single held tone or an endlessly cycling rhythm — is one of electronic music's noblest gestures." |
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Yidam
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Posted : Jan 29, 2013 01:08
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On 2013-01-27 20:54, DETOX wrote:
Not a joke at all dear PoM. Thats actually the problem that destroyed most of the noteworthy labels when the small market got flooded with shit releases every month from people who founded their own labels to release their own music........
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I think the number of producers is double or tripple time bigger than the actual people that buy music, from which 50 % are artists again and 50 % are dj's
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would have argued against this just a few years ago but it looks like it's pretty close to reality today, especially for psytrance. only option to get through is to do parties and festivals, hence overload of events as compared to before. and since it costs close to nothing to release a free album it pretty much defines the end of the distribution system and slowly the need for labels too. unless ofcourse it's run by a very active and well known DJ.
in a way it's good. new model gives an artist freedom to create a proper liveset instead of tracks for some album or DJ. no point being so nostalgic about old models of the music business.
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Posted : Jan 29, 2013 08:28
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The only thing I miss are proper dj sets, live acts get boring. NO much more music discovery during the party itself, people knows the artist and the music they will play (their own).
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Nidopsog
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Posted : Feb 2, 2013 12:19
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On 2013-01-29 08:28, Login wrote:
The only thing I miss are proper dj sets, live acts get boring. NO much more music discovery during the party itself, people knows the artist and the music they will play (their own).
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this is precisely what I find as the good side of live acts - the creativity, the development and expression of every single artist him or herself . out there...definitely not boring as just opposed to the spreading of someone elses' vibes as in the case of Disc Jockeys..i really dont find 'proper djing' a miss...there are still plenty of djs, but for sure the number of 'producers' is greater than of djs... and still if one is so much up for a proper DJ set, Goa Gil is still making proper dj rituals, as far as I've heard...  he would spin it all!: ) Let it goo .......
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Perma Fry
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Posted : Feb 2, 2013 14:53
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On 2013-01-27 20:54, DETOX wrote:
Not a joke at all dear PoM. Thats actually the problem that destroyed most of the noteworthy labels when the small market got flooded with shit releases every month from people who founded their own labels to release their own music........
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I think the number of producers is double or tripple time bigger than the actual people that buy music, from which 50 % are artists again and 50 % are dj's
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I agree with Boris here.
There are more producers then people who buy music. Hence the huge drop in sales.
CDS for me are like the new vinyls. Only die hard collectors really buy these. The rest I feel are mostly distributed by the label/artist to promote themselves.
Coming back to the original post.
For me its best if the label prints and sells cds to the distributor. This makes sure that the label makes most money from their hard work. On the flip side, getting CDS printed through a distributor can be more financial viable for some people. Here one faces issues of profit sharing with the distributor etc.
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