Pythagoraz
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Posted : Nov 24, 2008 01:05
Throwing a treance party with mono sound is like a movietheatre showing the new movies in Black and white. I would actually find it offending if it was my music... :s
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shachar
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Posted : Nov 27, 2008 18:31
some club systems are in mono. even today, the reason is to make equal sound in all positions.
outdoor events and festivals systems should be in stereo.
so for the Q, Most of parties are not in mono.
also most of artists dont apreciate mixing in mono, allthough it makes the mix better for more systems, not just parties but also for broadcast, radio, Internet Etc..
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Posted : Nov 27, 2008 19:55
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some club systems are in mono. even today, the reason is to make equal sound in all positions.
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Posted : Nov 27, 2008 20:53
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On 2008-11-27 18:31, shachar wrote:
also most of artists dont apreciate mixing in mono, allthough it makes the mix better for more systems, not just parties but also for broadcast, radio, Internet Etc..
I haven't heard any AM psytrance radio stations recently and most people have two speakers even on their laptops.
Fuck mono!
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Posted : Nov 27, 2008 21:12
LOL !
Elad
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Posted : Nov 28, 2008 01:11
i agree
if idiot listen to his music in mono why should i nerrow my stereo width for him rather then make it richer for the dude that got disant system.
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Posted : Nov 28, 2008 02:13
My opinions has changed during the month. Here are the lastest
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some club systems are in mono. even today, the reason is to make equal sound in all positions.
I quite sure that's be true. 1. If you dance next to R-speaker you won't hear what's happening on the L-speaker. When it's mono = sound is similar on the both sides and everywhere in the venue.
You can bridge your amplifiers when using mono to get more power for speakers, so it's little saving when choosing a sound system.
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also most of artists dont apreciate mixing in mono, allthough it makes the mix better for more systems, not just parties but also for broadcast, radio, Internet Etc..
I think he meant that checking your track's Mix in mono gives an advance to play it through any kind of system
It's a fact that all good mixes sounds good also in mono. exclude tracks that use "unreal wide" stereo or anti-phase areas. unreal wide stereo sounds disappears when turning to mono.
I've read few interviews where producers use first 4hours to mix in mono and then half an hour to make it stereo. =)
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Posted : Nov 28, 2008 02:29
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On 2008-11-28 02:13, naga wrote:
My opinions has changed during the month. Here are the lastest
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some club systems are in mono. even today, the reason is to make equal sound in all positions.
I quite sure that's be true. 1. If you dance next to R-speaker you won't hear what's happening on the L-speaker.
Oh bollocks to that! If someone stands next to the right speaker they don't really give a shit about sound so why should anyone else care if they miss part of the sonic show? They obviously don't.
But thank goodness most people don't care or it would get really crowded in the centre!
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When it's mono = sound is similar on the both sides and everywhere in the venue.
You mean it sounds bad everywhere? Yes lets make it sound bad everywhere for the people that don't care about sound anyway and ruin the pleasure for the people that do. Now that makes sense... NOT!
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You can bridge your amplifiers when using mono to get more power for speakers, so it's little saving when choosing a sound system.
Aren't the speakers usually more expensive than the amps in the long run anyway? (I really don't know). And how does this power gain work anyway? You still need so many amps to produce so many dB SPL based on the efficiency of the speakers. How does bridging the amps give more power? (Seriously, I'm curious).
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I think he meant that checking your track's Mix in mono gives an advance to play it through any kind of system
It's a fact that all good mixes sounds good also in mono. exclude tracks that use "unreal wide" stereo or anti-phase areas. unreal wide stereo sounds disappears when turning to mono.
I don't know how my mixes sound in mono. I really don't. I haven't checked one of mixes in mono for years. Do I care?
Fuck mono!
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Posted : Nov 28, 2008 02:58
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David Sussman (dance producer, grammy remixer, michael jackson, u2, mariah carey,
Don Smith (u2, iggy pop, talking head, eurythimics:
If i'm doing a dance club record, i don't go extremely wide with what i consider important elements, which would be kicks, sanre, hihats and cymbals. because of the venues wher ethe song is being played, if you pan a pretty important element on the left side, half the dance floor's not hearing it.
I check my panning in mono with one speaker believe or not. when you pan around in mono, all sudden you'll find that it's coming through now and you've found the space for it. if i want to find a place for the hihat for instance, sometimes i'll go to mono and pan it around and you'll find that's it's really present all of a suddens, and that's the spot. when you start pan around on all your drums in mono, you'll hear all the phase come together when you go to stereo, it makes things a lot better
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Bridged and paralleled amplifiers:
to increase the amount of power available in different situations
You'll hear if any phasing is creeping-in (like a comb-filtering effect).
You can correct any sounds that have disappeared.
Many club PA systems (believe it or not), use mono! Don't be embarrassed - I've read enough personal accounts on forums to know this is a fairly common pitfall!
the engineer will be given a number of mono tracks and will set the levels and then eq tracks to give them their own space in the mix. panning will then be used only after a solid workable mix has been made, meaning that even more space is achieved. given that making electronic music requires a level of mixing to take place as you go along, it now makes sense to me to try to make a really cool tune just in mono (tweaking patches and eq-ing to suit) and then use the stereo width further on down line to add some spice to a solid backbone groove
mono balance is easy to find with a good arrangement, different octaves between instruments and low amount of instruments. Once mix is working in mono without frequency conflicts, you've still got whole stereo area in use to expand and pan sounds all over the image and give sounds them space.
and when your song will be played in Mono Club System it's gonna be in balance also in mono
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Posted : Nov 28, 2008 12:30
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On 2008-11-23 11:52, kalgos wrote:
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On 2008-11-15 13:24, psycho-italiano wrote:
the one who told me that is an artist signed in BNE/Yoyo Records!
and he was totaly serious.
good on him for sign in yoyo but he is wrong. or maybe he forget to switch the dj mixer mono>stereo evrywhere he play.
i have been in 5.1 trance party and this is so much better then anything! some phase issues in some spots its true but find your place on the dancefloor and the expirience is much bigger
Cant be to many people though is i would think the sweet spot is pretty small and a lot of fighting musta been going on to get in the "good zone"
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Posted : Nov 28, 2008 13:31
Naga,
Thanks for the Wikipedia link.
Still I don't really care about mono compatibility. That is just too limiting. (I use a lot of stereo effects including phase effects). The person you quote makes commercial music that needs to work on crappy little mono speakers or in supermarket sound systems, you know what I mean, and stuff like that. Not exactly where my music is likely to be played. LOL.
I use a different approach when mixing pop, rock music or other commercial genres. But for my own music, Fuck Mono!
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Posted : Nov 28, 2008 14:11
well i still cant see whats so wrong to take it in account.
surely you will be extreme disapointed if you got a gig that is mono and half your sounds not even there , or poping in and out instead being panned.
specialy problematic are wrong use of stereo imagers that make multi band time change , this can cause complete disapear of sounds.
kind of remind me when my friend was begginer and he found that reverse phase on one side sounds nice , untill he heard it in mono and was "where the F%^& is the hihat!www.sattelbattle.com http://yoavweinberg.weebly.com/
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Posted : Nov 28, 2008 15:22
Yes lets make it sound bad everywhere for the people that don't care about sound anyway and ruin the pleasure for the people that do. Now that makes sense... NOT!