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Apply 1 audio file's envelope to another audio file

Insomania

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Posted : Jun 3, 2015 14:55:35
Hi guys,
Is there a way to somehow extract the envelope contour from one audio file and apply it to another one?

Say take a snare sample which has really good macro dynamics, and another sample which has shitty macro dynamics but a killer sound - is there some tool that can take the dynamics of the first and apply it to the second?

frisbeehead
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Posted : Jun 3, 2015 16:56
I don't think that there's any automatic way of doing it, but you can sort of shape the volume contour of a sound to resemble another one using the most common techniques.

One way to look at it would be to engage the "snap to zero crossing points" function within your DAW's sample editor, so that the edits, specially cuts, don't produce any clicks. Then, for instance, you can separate the attack/transient of the sound, it's body and perhaps the tail. By simply changing the gain and applying some fades, you can pretty much shape it any way you want to with fine control, then merge the parts into one single file and be done with.

In situations where you'd just want the attack to be more or less prominent, for example, you can try transient shapers. Or some compression, with some attack (so the compressor doesn't act immediately), compressing just the body of the sound, thus changing the volume balance between attack and body. Also a valid way and it does sound different from the first method.

If we're talking drums here, sometimes layering other sounds in frequency areas where your sample lacks something, like layering a small hat or noise burst in the attack portion of a drum sound, for example, can be just the right medicine to. When doing so, it's useful to take a deeper look at "phase correlation", not as an audio restoration thing here (so as to avoid phase cancelation), but more as a sound design thing, another parameter to tweak to get things sounding like you want.

That's long already. Hope it helps. Cheers
Insomania

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Posted : Jun 4, 2015 00:36
Oh thanks again frisbeehead, that definitely helps and reinforces kind of what I have been doing (without dynamic processors) mainly with built envelope and fade in/out processors.
But that's hard technical work which takes a lot of time.
Hoping to work less and get better results (don't have much time currently)
Well, guess I will do that if there no other options right now
Thanks dude
psycox
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Posted : Jun 7, 2015 14:41
in fl studio you can use the envelope contr. thid plugon can make an envelope ny analyzing a wave file.

https://www.image-line.com/support/FLHelp/html/plugins/Fruity%20Envelope%20Controller.htm
knocz
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Posted : Jun 7, 2015 16:40
Another way of looking at it would be with side chaining.. it's easy to get a good rhythmic "deck-scratching" using a nice drum loop, side chained to the BP filter cutoff of a long playing white noise oscillator So the dynamics of the drum track makes the white noise move - in your case, use a compressor or something whit a gain, and make you snare side-chain that gain on your "nice sounding sample with no dynamic qualities"

If your "nice sound" has a very slow attack, then this wont put something there that isnt' already there, but your get the trick (and, perhaps with negative side-chaining values or a different compressor ratio setting, you could expand your signal instead of compressing it )
Or, say if your DAW allows you, use the side chain to modulate what ever parameter you want (when you have your "nice sample" in a sampler, there's sooo much to do with it )

Another way that pop's in mind to make 1 sound affect another would be a vocoder.. but perhaps a bit too far fetched for your issue           Super Banana Sauce http://www.soundcloud.com/knocz
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