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Spindrift
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Posted : Jan 29, 2010 23:16
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About the software some posts here suggest some confusion as to what iPad will run as an OS.
Basically it's an oversized iPhone that you cannot use as a phone. It does not run OSX, and there is zero chance that one will see a version of for example Ableton for it.
Considering the limited CPU power it would not be good for running heavy applications, but using it as a Lemur alternative does not require much CPU power.
After suffering a setback from Apples patent lawyers, multi-touch is really taking off now and there will be a lot of alternatives appearing allowing you to create multi-touch controller interfaces on different platforms.
@Axis Mundi
Launchpad sure looks crap as a lemur replacement, but what is wrong with for triggering clips in Live?
Haven't tried it but I'm thinking about getting one. I don't really get along with the APC's configuration and would just a clip launch matrix, and Launchpad seem to be just what I've been waiting for.
Could your explain it's shortcomings a bit more than "is a n00b toy"?
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Axis Mundi
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Posted : Jan 29, 2010 23:59
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Well, it's only my opinion of course, but yes, you're right... for launching clips it's good, but for the most part, it seems like a limited-use object that seems to be more about looks than functionality.
Here are a few of my reasons in short:
1. no knobs
2. no faders
3. no keys
4. limited layout
5. takes up a precious usb slot
6. plastic chassis
Sure, it has fader and knob emulation (re: mixer and sends section) but would you really want to automate parameters with it? A 10x10 grid means 10 possible settings for, say, a mixer fader or a pan.... rather large increments. Not necessarily what is desired in a studio setting. In a live set setting, the info display is also low. You can only look at the mixer, the sends, the clips, etc. one section at a time. This means you're still going to be spending a significant amount of time looking at your computer, and you're probably going to be spending a significant amount of time still using your mouse. The drum machine emulator shown in the video also is neat but nothing that can't be done on an APC40. No velocity sensitivity, however (same with the APC40) but admittedly this is an expensive feature to put on a controller with so many buttons.
Overall, I'd get one, but it certainly wouldn't be my primary controller for Ableton, and at most I'd use it for the "extra features" like having a drum machine there for me to bang on or something. However I certainly don't find it an essential piece of gear. I can think of plenty of other stuff to drop $180 on... for example for roughly $100 I could cobble together a twin-wiimote-bluetooth controller which would probably be a lot more fun and functional to use in a live set than the launchpad.
The main advantage I see to the Launchpad is that it's small, cheap and is powered from USB. The APC40, for example, can do everything the Launchpad can and more, and fits in a 17" laptop backpack.
For what Spindrift wants to use it for, it's great. But it also illustrates its limited-use capacity. He wants a clip launch matrix and this one fits. I just don't see it as having that much functionality.
Sorry if I seemed disrespectful in my "noob toy" description, but I really don't see the Launchpad as anything other.
Spindrift, have you seen the APC20 version that Akai is coming out with soon? At a glance, it's basically the clip launch matrix and mixer fader section of the APC40, without all the stuff on the right half of the 40. It will probably be comparatively priced, also.
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Spindrift
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Posted : Jan 30, 2010 00:15
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On 2010-01-29 23:59, Axis Mundi wrote:
Spindrift, have you seen the APC20 version that Akai is coming out with soon? At a glance, it's basically the clip launch matrix and mixer fader section of the APC40, without all the stuff on the right half of the 40. It will probably be comparatively priced, also.
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Yeah, it's a step in the right direction for me, but still a lot of unnecessary faders and buttons for my purposes.
Anyway, I agree using the Launchpad to control levels and pans doesn't seem like a very good idea, but for that I want a controller with a decent number of knobs anyway, so there also an APC40 would fall short for me.
And being modular is great. If my BCR2000 would break down I guess I could mix using the Launchpad, even if far from ideal.
And if the Launchpad breaks down I can still launch clips with the keypad I use.
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so i asked mysel, when i found that ipad thingy on the internet, if it´s possible to control different programs like ableton while the ipad is working only as a screen for another machine.
i mean u can control on it´s own OS just everything by touch, get that right?
so if i plug it as a screen to my mac, is it possible maybe to get my ableton from another mac on the screen of the ipad to get touch control of it?
just thought about my usual ableton version and ipad just controlling it. i´m not that technical freak on PC/MAC hardware, so i dunno if there is anything else needed. also had no look for supplied conections on ipad. but if there´s something like a mini DVI/DVI connector, couldn´t this be possible?
even if not, but the connection ports are there it should be easily possible to create a software connecting your second MAC/PC with the ipad. just like many of us run a second monitor to split the current windows one is actually working with....
just my thoughts on that, heared about ipad just two days ago and had no further look, just because it´s power is not useable in another way.
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the daleks
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the iPad is supposed to use the iphone OS, so in effect, TouchOSC and Osculator (on mac) should work OTB
for PC puredata's not as easy to make your own template unfortunately, so that would deter me if i were a windows user
regarding the launchpad, and other button controllers, they all are nice ideas, but i've always had the frustration of having to subscribe to the manufacturers idea of how you should use the controller. the beauty of TouchOSC and the much higher priced Lemur is that you can make your own custom templates, and have everything exactly where and how you need it. to me that is a paradigm shift in controller technology
the only problem i see is having to use wi-fi for the connection. it works alright, but also looses the connection sometimes, it would be much better with a dedicated (USB?) data connection. the possibility of losing the connection would deter many live acts from adopting it as a go-to controller. still could be pretty dope though
that hitler clip is hilarious, in its various incarnations 
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the daleks
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Posted : Feb 3, 2010 11:15
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@Mandari
i dont think that you can use it as an external monitor. the idea i was mentioning was as a control surface. which at $500 bucks puts it as a semi-feasible alternative to a Remote SL or some other controllers in that range. the appeal is that you can use it as a touch control surface, similar to the Jazz Mutant Lemur at 1/4 the price
you can still laugh at the Hitler video even if you are german. getting that psycho out of office was the best thing that happened to you guys 
@vegetal
those are harsh conditions man!
read my post above, I'm not proposing it as a replacement for a computer. However, Apple was originally opposed to DRM, when Microsoft was all about it with Vista. I think they just finally succumbed to the pressure of the RIAA and Hollywood. Nonetheless, there are ways around it, so I wouldnt consider it a show-stopper. And its more of a big iphone than a PC, so you wouldnt be able to get that much multi-functionality out of it anyway. i think the apple store restrictions purpose is more to keep developers in line with hardware requirements, so they dont make some app that crashes and fubars your i-device. as specs go up, i have a feeling they will relax with it. they do give away the SDK for making apps, so its not totally closed
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Posted : Feb 3, 2010 12:51
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you can still laugh at the Hitler video even if you are german. getting that psycho out of office was the best thing that happened to you guys
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hehe, hope you dont get me wrong here, im no nazi. in the movie they´re just talking totally different stuff =D sure has ben fun to see, but not comfortable joke to me as i had to read while understanding what they´re talking. it´s much more effective if you dont know the language 
to the ipad again i knew what u meant. thing is that the connection to your hardware is not that stable, i mean cmon it´s wifi, tried that shit already with my ipod touch. sure TouchOSC would have some more space on the screen, but if i cant plug it its completely senseless to buy. imo not comparable to a lemur except the touch thingy....
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Posted : Feb 3, 2010 19:45
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I think its the future but its still to early...way too early.
I'm sure 10 years from now we will be making comp music sitting in a comfy reclying chair with a 25 inch fine resolution touch screen in your lap...
Ipad is just way too small to be practical though, but hey, someone had to start somewhere with this technology. Apple being realistically first to draw the gun should really light a fire as far as innovation with this stuff from other companies.
While I would certainly not buy one, hats off to them for trying to do it.
OSC though I just don't know about, for this to take hold it will have to eventually send midi natively..MIDI is like an old girlfriend who you just can't get out of your heart no matter how sexy your new gf is. |
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Posted : Feb 3, 2010 19:45
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i think the apple store restrictions purpose is more to keep developers in line with hardware requirements, so they dont make some app that crashes and fubars your i-device. as specs go up, i have a feeling they will relax with it. they do give away the SDK for making apps, so its not totally closed
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I'm not apple expert, but I do not think that is the case. I believe the app store review process is much more about legal compliance. I do not think they really test the software for hardware spec, or user experience, like they seem to portray.
I believe it's more that they are making sure the developer app meets the terms of Apple's licensing agreements. And as we've seen in the past, it's unfortunately sometimes about eliminating competition. Apple has proven they will squash apps they do not like.
I'm most interested in the iPad as a controller, & extension of a desktop/laptop machine, not in it's capability on it's own.
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the daleks
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@Mandari
ah, i see now, i wasnt thinking of it that way. probably better not to know what he is saying then
agreed on the wi-fi bit, to me that will keep me from parting with the cash, or until they enable a USB data connection.
Osculator works good enough to convert to midi, but i agree, native midi would be better. i think the developer thought he would get a bigger hit using OSC. as the application develops my hope is that he ports it to midi
@Dharma Lab
yeah that is also true. i guess i have to take my rose-colored glasses off now. i will continue to be pissed as long as there is no flash on the iphone. they did finally allow skype though, so seems to be going in a palatable direction
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@vegetal
those are harsh conditions man!
read my post above, I'm not proposing it as a replacement for a computer. However, Apple was originally opposed to DRM, when Microsoft was all about it with Vista. I think they just finally succumbed to the pressure of the RIAA and Hollywood. Nonetheless, there are ways around it, so I wouldnt consider it a show-stopper. And its more of a big iphone than a PC, so you wouldnt be able to get that much multi-functionality out of it anyway. i think the apple store restrictions purpose is more to keep developers in line with hardware requirements, so they dont make some app that crashes and fubars your i-device. as specs go up, i have a feeling they will relax with it. they do give away the SDK for making apps, so its not totally closed
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Sorry if i sounded harsh, i never thought you meant the ipad to replace a regular computer To be honest i can´t even see how your supposed utilize an ipad, anyone? Can it be used as a pussy magnet? I doubt it 
I just hate proritarian software, and i also find it VERY worrying that you dont have full control over something you´ve paid for. One day you find your movies and music deleted remotly by apple because you didn´t care to read the 1200 pages of EULA.
Also im amazed with how people always get into the line like a huge army of leper lemmings, saluting Steve jobs and apple whenever they releases something with the apple logo on it, it doesn´t even have to be ground breaking at all.
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