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apogee symphony vs rme fireface 800
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Akousma
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Posted : Dec 8, 2006 23:28
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well wich one is the best???
i use logic, the apogee should definetly b my utimate choice since its propper for LOgic...
can anyone tell me something that would make the RME a better choice??
tks..
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sry... wrong section..
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JoMaJo
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Posted : Dec 28, 2006 00:20
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well if i was u i would check also the RME fireface 400, slightly cheaper, very conveniant volume knob, smaller so u can take it to a live set.. excellent drivers and far superior sound to any other card.. many israeli producers have changed to this card @ around 1000 euros it's a killer buy!!
highly recommended...
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Clufë
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Posted : Dec 28, 2006 00:37
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Fireface now hv alot of bugs
try it fireface 400
is more cheep
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Sidhartha
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Posted : Dec 28, 2006 02:45
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Kaz
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Posted : Jan 15, 2007 12:48
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Are you NUTS?
Apogee, all the way. If you have a Mac, then there's not even room for any deliberation - RME just don't have the same ADDA quality, we're talking "high end proffesional equipment with certain goals" vs. "every feature we could squeeze into this, we did". Sure, the Apogee is more expensive, and it has less features. But what it does, it does BETTER, plain and simple, and Symphony's integration with Logic 7.2 makes the extra features of the Multiface redundant.
Seriously - you have enough money for the Symphony, don't think twice. The Fireface is just the most advanced version of the under $1000 soundcard technology, the Symphony is already high end studio equipment. I use an Apogee Mini-DAC attached to an m-audio soundcard (via SPDIF cable - allas, no mac, no Symphony), and the accuracy of the sound is stunning, makes the RME Fireface sound digital and plasticy.
RME make fine pieces of equipment - definately a league above m-audio, EMU, Motu and most other entry-level pro soundcards, don't get me wrong, but they aren't in the league of the big boys yet - and Apogee are. The fact that in recent years they brought their technology to under $2000 is a godsend for audiophiles and studiofreaks everywhere.
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d1m1tr1
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Posted : Jan 15, 2007 19:19
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Yuli
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Posted : Jan 15, 2007 23:41
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Correct me if I am wrong but ADDA converters inside RME sound cards are by Apogee.. Maybe I was disinformed and maybe it was true to the time I bought me Hammerfall around 2002 if I remember right or year earlier, which was one of the first that were sold here in Israel, but RME was Apogee at that time...
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montezuma
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Posted : Jan 16, 2007 01:42
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pilgrim
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Posted : Jan 16, 2007 11:33
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On 2007-01-15 23:41, Yuli wrote:
Correct me if I am wrong but ADDA converters inside RME sound cards are by Apogee.. Maybe I was disinformed and maybe it was true to the time I bought me Hammerfall around 2002 if I remember right or year earlier, which was one of the first that were sold here in Israel, but RME was Apogee at that time...
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the adda converters in most interfaces (from € 100 - 1000) are made by akg (same company that makes that studio headphones)...they're cheap and all the same in most interfaces (don't know if apogee uses them too)..
the real good thing about rme are the stunning stable drivers...
i never tried the apogee but i am a happy ff400 user too! |
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Kaz
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Posted : Jan 16, 2007 11:44
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RME as far as I know have always worked with AKM, same as most companies in the soundcard market (Motu, M-Audio and the likes) - of course, using some of their higher end chips, and naturally, those chips aren't everything in getting good sound. The classic feature lacking in RME products that Apogee historically have: dual stage jitter correction, to give that slightly more accurate picutre and not do so as roughly placed (and therefor more digital sounding) single stage.
AKM make varying quality of AD, DA and ADDA chips, and while sometimes both MOTU and RME use the exact same chips (MOTU try and do this to prove why they're on par with RME), RME's sound is considered better by most people who have used both. The chip itself is just a part of the whole deal.
The FF 400 uses a combined ADDA chip (AK4620 - made by AKM Semiconductor), while the FF800 has uses separate chips (5385/4395). S/N and THD for AD are almost identical, DA specs are marginally better on the FF800 while the preamps on the 400 are slightly better - but according to user reviews, despite the specs the DA in the 400 seems to be slightly better from an audiophile standpoint.
Hope I've been informative and helpfull.
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Trip-
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Posted : Jan 16, 2007 13:50
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I would rather compare ensemble product to fireface product in this context.
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Vibe Tribe
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Kaz
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Posted : Jan 16, 2007 19:59
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I use an Apogee Mini-DAC attached via SPDIF to my m-audio Audiophile 192, just because m-audio's drivers are rock-solid. I suppose with the USB interface it should work just fine as well.
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UnderTow
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Posted : Jan 16, 2007 22:18
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On 2007-01-15 12:48, kaz wrote:
Are you NUTS?
Apogee, all the way. If you have a Mac, then there's not even room for any deliberation - RME just don't have the same ADDA quality,
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The Apogee Symphony has no AD/DA conversion so Akousma would have to specify some AD/DA before we even talk about comparing converters.
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we're talking "high end proffesional equipment with certain goals"
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Naa. Apogee is mid-range just like RME. Some prefer the slightly euphonic sound of Apogee. Others prefer the clinical sound of RME.
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vs. "every feature we could squeeze into this, we did". Sure, the Apogee is more expensive, and it has less features. But what it does, it does BETTER, plain and simple,
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As it doesn't have any converters, that would be channeling audio in and out of a DAW. RME is very good at that. 
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and Symphony's integration with Logic 7.2 makes the extra features of the Multiface redundant.
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The integration is certainly a good selling point.
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Seriously - you have enough money for the Symphony, don't think twice.
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.... and get a Lynx card.  Seriously though, you have to factor in the cost of converters when looking at the price of the Symphony.
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The Fireface is just the most advanced version of the under $1000 soundcard technology, the Symphony is already high end studio equipment.
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Not quite. If you want high-end you have to look at Weiss, Lavry, Prism, dCS, Mytek etc.
Anyway, Akousma, what converters would you use with the Symphony?
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Orestis
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Posted : Jan 17, 2007 14:34
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Well I have RME Fireface 800.... 
UnderTow has allready cover me ...
With FF800 Never have problems...
Very nice sound...very easy to use it!
(outputs, routing channels and etc.)
U can do anything u like very quickly without lossing time.
Great support from the company...with full updates for frimware & drivers.
For the Symphony I dont have much to say I never have use it ...so I dont have the XP...
boom boomm!!
contact(at)orestismusic.net
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