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Anyone has RME Hammerfall or other low latency card? Help
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UIU
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Posted : Aug 19, 2004 10:49
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When you record with the lowest latency is there still a tiny gap at the beginning of the sound when you see it with sound forge if you magnify it?
If you have time in your hands can you do this experiment for me? I just want to see if there is a problem or if I am just expecting miracles.
Record a kick from your hardware synth with the lowest latency. Export it from cubase. Then go to soundforge and remove the small gap at the start. Then open a new cubase file and have the kick you edited with sound forge play with battery or any other sampler and the same kick played by your synth in a loop. When they both play, does it sound like when they are playing seperately, only louder, or does it sound a bit different? How different?
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Morax
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Posted : Aug 19, 2004 12:52
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i have RME dsp hammerfall mutiface,
and i was recording some stuff,
but i dont remember any of thouse problems. |
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orange
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Posted : Aug 19, 2004 23:52
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there is always a small amount of latency what ever you do because of cables and the small time that needs the sound to go from your midi to your synth and then out of it back to the computer so whatever you do even iff you put 0 latency on the card you will have a 2-3ms latency on the recorded audio not a big problem though easy fixed in an audio editing program
dont worry your card has no problem is prety natural to have this latency
but iff it is more then 2-3ms check your soundcard drivers
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UIU
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Posted : Aug 20, 2004 09:50
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Thanks orange. i thought there was something wrong. My biggest problem is the bassline. I can't use my hardware synth for a quick 1/16 bassline, cause it doesn't sound like a continuous sound combined with a kick from battery. It sounds more than kick -small pause -bass. And although the pause is tiny, it makes a whole lot of difference to the rhythm. It's like it is slowing down the tempo. What I don't understand is why doesn't the delay compensation work for hardware synths as well as vsts? Or does it? |
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ZilDoggo
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Posted : Aug 20, 2004 16:09
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i think you have a midi latency problem.,
it's not your audio that's late!.,
(or that's what i read from your story)
you should check if there is a midi latency compensation thing in cubase.,
hmm., now i think about it, maybe the midi latency setting is already set (and compensating for a bigger audio latencys) and when you switched to a lower audio latency midi became late,.
so maybe you need to make it smaller.,
anyway,
good luck.,
greets.,
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UIU
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Posted : Aug 22, 2004 10:42
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I have recorded this test. If you could please listen to it and tell me what you think I would be very greatful.
In the first 15 seconds two identical kicks are playing together. One that I have removed the silence at the beginning with sound forge and the other recorded with rme hammerfall in cubase with the lowest latency setting(1.5ms).
The last 15 seconds is one kick playing alone.
Is is a normal difference, or should it sound like one kick, only louder?
http://www.soundclick.com/util/DownloadSong.cfm?ID=1533765
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ZilDoggo
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Posted : Aug 22, 2004 13:43
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hmm.,
i'm not signed up with soundclick so i cant listen to your test.,
can you post it through some other way?.,
greets.,
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orange
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Posted : Aug 22, 2004 23:10
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it sounds to me like it has a 2-3 ms latancy prety normal to my ears after you edited in soundforge its gonna be perfect dont forget that your cards lower latency is allready 1.5ms so its imposible to have a perfect much
dont buzz your head with it its no problem fix it in soundforge and make some music others have much more latency than you have and work with it
dont try to achieve perfection make tunes not problems to solve its all ok
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ZilDoggo
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Posted : Aug 23, 2004 13:25
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yeah.,
it's a latency of a few miliseconds.,
this is totaly normal.,
you should make sure your midi timing is set to -2 miliseconds for that piece of gear.,
and when you have recorded something from midi to audio you should also set it back by about 2 miliseconds.
so remember, there are at least two latencies working here.,
one is the midi interface + latency from your external gear (yes, external gear also has latency!!)
this is about 2~3 miliseconds total
the other is the latency in the recording path .,
this is about 1~2 miliseconds.,
there is also some instability in the system.,
i mean, there is also a very slight variation in timing from one kick to the other,.
this might be anything from your sequencer to your midi interface to your outboard gear to the fact that you converted it to mp3.,
if you want it to be sample acurate then you propably should not use midi gear i think,.
not sure if cubase is sample acurate tho.,
greets.,
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br0d
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Posted : Aug 24, 2004 05:05
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The sample-accuracy of audio (and therefore softsynths) is one of its greatest attributes.
Try a 128th note snare flurry with MIDI. Now try it in audio. Yeah. Big difference.
All those little inconsistencies and latencies add up to make songs muddy and phasey. It's like the difference between SX2 with PDC and SX1, or VST. Totally audible. I'm not one of those golden ears who can hear "oh yeah, this track needs a 1dB boost at 16kHz," but latencies, they are very audible to me.
IMO if you really love a piece of hardware, that's great, because some pieces, (like the Oberheim Xpander, which I always coveted) are still in a league of their own, but always record it to audio and slide some things around. And sample the kicks so you can fiddle with their attacks...
Oddly though, the main reason I switched to software was the versatility. You can get totally bored with one piece, hit Ctrl-S, close it, work on a more inspiring one, and then come back to it, in record time. In the old days, wanting to change songs meant dealing with unreliable sysex dumps and dodgy patch librarians, unpredictable levels, mixer settings. And hardware has no autosave function, so the potential for data loss (when you get all into a song and forget to dump the patches every half hour) was much greater. Might not seem like much to some, but it was huge for me. Am I off topic? Heheh ramble ramble  |
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UIU
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Posted : Aug 24, 2004 10:36
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I just bought steinberg midex 8 from e bay. It should improve the midi timing a bit. If it doesn't, I still need it anyway. |
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orange
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Posted : Aug 24, 2004 23:28
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