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Anyone ever tried to make Goa music, based on none Indian scales?
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Djones
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Posted : Nov 28, 2007 21:11
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Of course it wouldn't be 'Goa' anymore, if you made something in a certain Chinese scale or whatsoever.
But if you would apply the same musical structure of Goa to music with different scales than Indian, how would that sound?
Has anyone tried this already? |
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Work4Acid
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Posted : Nov 29, 2007 00:57
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I never did that before, but why not give it a try?:
Neapolitan Minor: C Df Ef F G Af B C
Neapolitan Major: C Df Ef F G A B C
Oriental: C Df E F Gf A Bf C
Double Harmonic: C Df E F G Af B C
Enigmatic: C Df E Fs Gs As B C
Hirajoshi: A B C E F A
Hungarian Minor: C D Ef Fs G Af B C
Hungarian Major: C Ds E Fs G A Bf C
Kumoi: E F A B C E
Iwato: B C E F A B
Hindu: C D E F G Af Bf C
Spanish 8 Tone: C Df Ef E F Gf Af Bf C
Pelog: C Df Ef G Bf C
Hungarian Gypsy: C D Ef Fs G Af Bf C
Major Phrygian: C DF E F G Af Bf C
Major Locrian: C D E F Gf Af Bf C
Lydian Minor: C D E Fs G Af Bf C
Overrtone: C D E Fs G A Bf C
Leading Whole Tone: C D E Fs Gs As B C
Arabian: C D E F Gf Af Bf C
Balinese: C Df Ef G Af C
Gypsy: C Df E F G Af B C
Mohammedan: C D Ef F G Af B C
Javanese: C Df Ef F G A Bf C
Persian: C Df E F gF Af B C
Algerian: C D Ef Fs G Af B C D Ef F
Aeolian: C D Ef F G aF Bf C
Byzantine: C Df E F G Af B C
Hawaiian: C D Ef (f grace note) G A B C
Jewish: E F Gs A B C D E
Mongolian: C D E G A C
Ethiopian: G A Bf C D Ef F G (The B and E can also be natural and
the F can be sharp)
Spanish: C D f E F G Af Bf C
Egyptian: C D F G Bf C
Japanese: C Df F G Af C
Chinese: F G A C D F
C E FsG B C
extracted from RavenSpiral music theory guide |
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Elad
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Posted : Nov 29, 2007 04:39
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brasirc
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Posted : Nov 29, 2007 06:04
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hehehe, sometimes things are so much easier to understand when simpled out
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Elad
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Posted : Nov 29, 2007 13:17
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Boobytrip
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Posted : Nov 29, 2007 14:37
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I use all kinds of scales, and most of them are not indian. Try using a pentatonic blues scale for bassline for instance, this really sounds nice.
Or just a standard (minor) scale with a few chromatic notes (that lie outside the scale) for melodies. It might not sound "Goa", but it works for me.
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-aeon-
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Posted : Nov 29, 2007 15:33
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On 2007-11-29 13:17, Elad wrote:
i dont believe 20% of goa-trance made on indian scales btw... the charas sure go on this scales but the music i think mostly in minor scale?
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hehehehe |
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Mike A
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Posted : Nov 30, 2007 01:20
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On 2007-11-28 21:11, Djones wrote:
Of course it wouldn't be 'Goa' anymore, if you made something in a certain Chinese scale or whatsoever.
But if you would apply the same musical structure of Goa to music with different scales than Indian, how would that sound?
Has anyone tried this already?
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http://myspace.com/subramike
there you go. non-indian goa trance. 
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Jikkenteki
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Posted : Nov 30, 2007 03:56
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The majority of goa doesn't use "Indian" scales at all. The bulk of it is just standard western scales, namely a simple Aeolian (basic minor) scale, or Phrygian scale, which is a also a basic minor scale that has the flat second that so many people think of has having the "goa" sound. Most artists also tend to stay on the chord tones in these scales (1,3,5, maybe 7) and occassionally add the second or maybe the forth, but regardless full use of all of any of these scales is still relatively unusual.
Also regarding Work4Acid's chart, this is misleading as it gives actual note values (the majority of that chart is in C), BUT its not the actual notes that are imporant but the intervals between them which matter. For example it lists your basic minor scale (i.e. Aeolian) as:
Aeolian: C D Ef F G aF Bf C
This is ONLY correct for C Aeolian. The actual scale is:
Root, whole step, half step. whole step, whole step, half step, whole step, whole step (note, a half step is one key up or down on the piano, a whole step is two keys).
Or in musical intervals, Root, second, minor third, forth, fifth, flat sixth, minor seventh, octave of root.
You can start on any note, its the intervals between notes than make the "scale".
For what it's worth....
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Work4Acid
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Posted : Nov 30, 2007 05:18
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i think that people take this too siriously, i cant imagine all the musicians creating music extrictly based on these scales, it would be such a boring world...
But yeah Jikkenteki thanx for making that clear about the key. |
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Spycht
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Posted : Nov 30, 2007 06:37
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On 2007-11-30 03:56, Jikkenteki wrote:
Also regarding Work4Acid's chart, this is misleading as it gives actual note values (the majority of that chart is in C), BUT its not the actual notes that are imporant but the intervals between them which matter.
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Trip-
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Posted : Nov 30, 2007 08:19
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Work4Acid,
I don't think it's about taking it seriously... Without taking notice, the usual trance melody would be one scale as with 99% of modern folk music today.
Changing scales through out a trance track melody is highly rare, and if it happens, it's a mild change.
But if you take Bach for example - he's the master in that. Not everyone can digest Bach's (or other great composers) approach though, therefor it's not common in our 'simple' psy/folk world.
Crackling universes dive into their own neverending crackle...
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Boobytrip
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Posted : Nov 30, 2007 11:50
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I've been playing around a bit with harmonic scales (scales of chords), inspired by 'How music really works':
http://www.howmusicreallyworks.com/Pages_Chapter_6/6_6.html
It really opened my eyes to a different way of creating and resolving tension in songs. With this approach you can first establish tonality using V an I chords, and then modulate to different tonalities (and corresponding scales) in ways that make sense and don't sound cheesy.
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Trip-
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Posted : Dec 1, 2007 01:05
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Harmonic scales are deffinately not the melodic scales this topic is talking about.
But a good insight nevertheless...
Crackling universes dive into their own neverending crackle...
AgalactiA |
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Boobytrip
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Posted : Dec 4, 2007 12:59
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Yeah sorry for the offtopic post. I'm really a bit like a jukebox: if someone throws in a dime with "scale" on it i start ranting about harmonic scales  |
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