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Vibe Tribe
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Posted : Dec 11, 2007 22:24
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does some one know how much the k+h o300 should cost in israel?
how are they comparing to s3a's and if the focal sold in israel?
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Get-a-fix
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Posted : Dec 12, 2007 01:46
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Hi Stas,
I'm not sure about how much they would cost in israel but from the reviews and research i've done these two monitors have scored higher than the adams.
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Vibe Tribe
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Posted : Dec 12, 2007 03:47
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im waiting for an answear from the k+h disturbuter in israel, i want to go listen to tham, im 2 days digin in the net for info about thuse 3..
i would like to read that reviews u r talking about, can u post some links? cuz from what i read mostly in gearslutz, over there they love the twins by focal, but say that both the o300s and specialy the s3a's in a diffrent league from the twin's
some one knows if anybody sales the focals in israel? eaven an not oficial disturbutr..
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Posted : Dec 12, 2007 09:30
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If you have a medium-size room, you could also check ATC for a 3-way system. They have a distributor in Israel.
I don't know if anyone distributes Focals in Israel. Crackling universes dive into their own neverending crackle...
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Vibe Tribe
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Posted : Dec 12, 2007 20:33
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Posted : Dec 12, 2007 21:49
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i think the k&h and s3a are some of the top mixing monitors ,here a good review i copy/paste from Full Clip Audio on the Grid forum about the s3a:
Now that I have been using the ADAMs for a few weeks I thought I would post some initial thoughts.
I have been mixing on BM6As with a Velodyne sub for the last 4 years and I know them quite well. We recently added a pair of ADAM S3As and the difference is shocking. I have been using them for a few weeks now and here is what I have found so far...
Every single flaw in any mix is amplified. Albums that I thought were awesome sound terrible! Some of my mixes that I thought were good sounded terrible. The thing is that they dont simply "sound bad" and are not making the mixes sound bad. Once you hear what they reveal you realize that they are right and it seems impossible that you (or whoever mixed what you are listening to) let a mix go out with such obvious mistakes. Of course on most monitors and systems they are not obvious but they are there. The Dynaudios are very easy on the ears and tend to lull you into thinking that whatever your mix is sounds pretty good. No matter how deficient in one area the mix is, you can easily go WAY off track with the Dynaudos if you dont ground yourself by walking away or referencing something else every so often.
Another interesting thing I noticed with the ADAMS is that they are extremely intolerant of over compressed signals. What I mean is that if you put in a track that is over compressed or has been clipped at the mastering stage, it sounds really loud but still pretty ok on most monitors. When you play the same material on the ADAMs it becomes painfully obvious that the signal is pushed too hard and it sounds simply terrible.
The ADAMs also impressed me when comparing things like MP3s. On the Dynaudios it is not as glaringly obvious even going between WAVs and 128s but 128s are instantly recognizable on the S3As.
The last and most intriguing (and unexpected) thing about them is their bass response. The sub we are using is 3K watts and an 18" driver so it produces an incredible amount of bass at very low frequencies. While this is good in some ways, it can also be an issue as the ADAMS revealed.
Robert was mixing a hip hop project that was started on the Dynaudios and he was attempting to finish on the ADAMs and was complaining that the ADAMs had no bass. I knew this wasnt the case and wasnt sure why he would be having an issue. The track was hitting really hard and filling the room with lovely bass with the sub and Dyns so I knew the track had bass and I had heard plenty of bass come out of the ADAMs. I put on a track that I knew translated really nicely on different systems and the ADAMs produced perfect bass! When we analyzed the Hip Hop track further we realized that the bass was simply not hitting at the right frequencies. It was too low and there was far too much going on at the very low frequencies. Most speakers would take that ultra low and distort it. This gives you the false impression that the higher end of the sub is correct because of the harmonics introduced. The sub on the other hand would simply produce the ultra low so cleanly and effectively that you felt like there was plenty of bass in the room. The ADAMs did neither! The bass simply wasnt there where it needed to be and it was obvious! Robert was a little weirded out by it at first but it made me want to shake the hand of the guy who designed the ADAMs. Its almost magic how they tell you if your bass is right on or not!
So basically the ADAMs are too honest to track comfortably for long periods of time but perfect for mixing. I hesitate to say they fill the void that NS10s would fill because they are so far beyond what NS10s are (I mean not even in the same universe) but they do play a similar role. They are in a sense the exact opposite of the Dynaudios and together they are a perfect pair!
I'm not sure how similar they are to the other series that ADAM makes (Ive only used the 'S' series) but I thought it might be interesting for anyone considering purchasing ADAMs. |
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Posted : Dec 13, 2007 01:18
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I haven't heard the ATCs anywhere.
It's rare to find it here.
Too many good things have been said about them - lotsa engineers use them.
I wouldn't compare them to bm6, maybe more to the bm15.
Crackling universes dive into their own neverending crackle...
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Get-a-fix
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Posted : Dec 13, 2007 02:09
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I just got home after traveling from europe to asia so i'll look for the links once i recover.
Anyway, to be fair the Adam S3A's cost almost twice as much as the Focals so its not really a fair comparison.
From what i remember the S3A's are praised for their mids, which makes them ideal for acoustic music.
For dance music K+H 0300 would be ideal & if you can't afford them then the Focals Twin6 seem like the best substitute.
At the end its all personal choice really, you can't go wrong with any of these monitors! http://www.soundcloud.com/getafixmusic |
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a212121
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Posted : Dec 13, 2007 19:27
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But can i use them connected to a Xone 92 mixer?
It has a "line input"... and it outputs in XLR
So it most have a "dac" right???
I know this mixer has very good quality, it's a professional dj mixer!
I already use my shitty alesis studio monitors connected to them, and i connect my soundcard to the mixer |
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Tomos
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Posted : Dec 13, 2007 21:03
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If it has line input and outputs in XLR there is no digital to analogue conversion happening at all. That is happening in your soundcard.
If it has SPDIF or optical in then those are digital connections.
With a mixer like that you're just going to be getting a high quality pass through, but it won't add anything to the sound.
For best quality you want to run XLR to XLR from your soundcard straight into the monitors.
Or soundcard digital out > external DAC ..
(Something like a Benchamark1 or Lavry)
..into your Monitors
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a212121
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Posted : Dec 14, 2007 13:48
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ohh i see, thanks! looks like i'll have to buy a DAC also lol |
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a212121
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Posted : Dec 14, 2007 13:50
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"For best quality you want to run XLR to XLR from your soundcard straight into the monitors.
Or soundcard digital out > external DAC ..
(Something like a Benchamark1 or Lavry)
..into your Monitors "
I see... so i need a good soundcard, it connects to the DAC and the dac outputs in XLR, is that it?
Or the dac IS a sound card? Laptop -> DAC -> monitors ? |
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Tomos
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Posted : Dec 14, 2007 14:04
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If your laptop has digital out then it could go straight into the DAC. But you're not going to get any in/outs, midi or low latency if you're just using a regular onboard soundcard.
The external DAC just takes over the processing to analogue that the soundcard would have done. But with 2 benefits - its more expensive and potentially better than the DAC chips on your current card and it's upgradable: should a better processor become available, you don't need to ditch your soundcard, just the DAC.
Not to sound rude, but it sounds like you have a lot of money to spend fairly quickly without doing your research. Perhaps you should have a serious think about what you want to get out of your setup before dropping cash on DAC's and multi-thousand-$$$ monitors. |
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a212121
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Posted : Dec 14, 2007 14:06
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Thanks for your help
No mate i don't have a lot of money, in fact it will be very hard for me to buy all this stuff
But the point is that i still need a lot of money so until there i'm still learning about this stuff, in 2008 i will have the money and the information i need to buy the right thing! Thanks |
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Tomos
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Posted : Dec 14, 2007 14:07
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The point of the DAC is that your soundcard can be fairly cheap as long as it has digital out, then the DAC just converts to analogue. But I think we're getting confused.
If you JUST want XLR output straight from soundcard to monitor, then buy a soundcard that has XLR outputs.
I just mentioned the DAC because it's a way of getting better quality conversion. |
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