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any techniques or process involved in make those twisted leads?

Becktrank
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Posted : Mar 7, 2011 23:07:17
any help or tips on how to create that twisted effect using leads, that makes the music really abstract? im trying make this for a long of time but always end with just some melodies layering each other, far away from where i want to get, any vision here will be really appreciated.           ``We shall not cease from exploration - And the end of all our exploring - Will be to arrive where we started - And know the place for the first time.``

bahia
pride_guy

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Posted : Mar 8, 2011 00:17
try a bandpass filter, assign an lfo without retrigger to the cutoff frequency, link some shit like resonance, cutoff, LFO rate to your velocity and fiddle about with that.
also play around a little with the attack and decay of your filter envelope, maybe even link envelope amount to your velocity as well. chuck on a fat delay and write a couple of notes..
oh yeah try a little distortion too

or something like that.. gimme an example of what you'd want to achieve exactly.
kotton


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Posted : Mar 8, 2011 00:42
For me the most important thing in getting long, twisted and evolving leads is to use gate.
So, have a white noise signal (I put in a sampler but can use any synth of your choice), mute the track with it, create a new midi track with your favourite synth and put the gate (very important) on it and maybe synced delay for a start. Also reverb on a send (you can use it l8r on or not).

So, sidechain the gate with a noise signal. It will be only used to mute/unmute the signal of you synth with a lead.

Then program your synth patch with really long envelopes, evolving LFO (waveform, rate and amount are the most important one). Your goal when holding a note is to get a lead which evolves over time.

Draw a long one bar note on your synth track for a start.
The draw a series of short 16th notes on a noise track with variable lenghts, throw maybe one longer one, expand this over a two or four bar loop so it doesnt get boring too soon.

So you can trigger the sound now independently of your synth. You can go really wild with modulations, you can retrigger envelopes and LFOs independently of your sequence. I find this really useful for all kind of sounds. Sometimes a heavy modulated pad works better then an evil sounding lead to get those twisted effect in your leads you are talking about.

Also spend some time with gate paramteres (I use very simple gate, so attack, release, hold, sidechain signal gain). You can really get nice results with fine tuning these knobs.

Also I tend to go easy on a melodies on a lead. You can get very nice results just from changing you timbre rather than having complex melodic structure within your lead. But thats the matter of personal taste I guess.


willsanquil
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Posted : Mar 8, 2011 01:42
nice post kotton! +1            If you want to make an apple pie from scratch...you must first invent the universe
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knocz
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Posted : Mar 8, 2011 06:54
A simple but effective advice:

Try to think of rhythms instead of melodies Lots of crazy and highly successful leads are played on just one note.

Then add on that with automations (filter, pitch bend, FM, mix knob on effects, the sky is the limit)
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jeeboomba
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Posted : Mar 8, 2011 10:51
Quote:

On 2011-03-08 00:42, kotton wrote:
For me the most important thing in getting long, twisted and evolving leads is to use gate.
So, have a white noise signal (I put in a sampler but can use any synth of your choice), mute the track with it, create a new midi track with your favourite synth and put the gate (very important) on it and maybe synced delay for a start. Also reverb on a send (you can use it l8r on or not).

So, sidechain the gate with a noise signal. It will be only used to mute/unmute the signal of you synth with a lead.

Then program your synth patch with really long envelopes, evolving LFO (waveform, rate and amount are the most important one). Your goal when holding a note is to get a lead which evolves over time.

Draw a long one bar note on your synth track for a start.
The draw a series of short 16th notes on a noise track with variable lenghts, throw maybe one longer one, expand this over a two or four bar loop so it doesnt get boring too soon.

So you can trigger the sound now independently of your synth. You can go really wild with modulations, you can retrigger envelopes and LFOs independently of your sequence. I find this really useful for all kind of sounds. Sometimes a heavy modulated pad works better then an evil sounding lead to get those twisted effect in your leads you are talking about.

Also spend some time with gate paramteres (I use very simple gate, so attack, release, hold, sidechain signal gain). You can really get nice results with fine tuning these knobs.

Also I tend to go easy on a melodies on a lead. You can get very nice results just from changing you timbre rather than having complex melodic structure within your lead. But thats the matter of personal taste I guess.






thanks man.. had tried it before once but i will dig deep into this..
Cosmic Tandav
Trailoka

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Posted : Mar 8, 2011 11:29
play a melody and tweak the shit out of it ...

and add fx ,chop it up etc ..

u can get some fantastic sounds..

the idea i guess is to try and tweak everything as possible to make it abstract ...           https://soundcloud.com/hypnotiquerecordings
Cosmic Tandav
Trailoka

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Posted : Mar 8, 2011 11:32
and @ becktranck


check this out


http://forum.isratrance.com/creating-killer-leads-video-workshop-cosmosis/
          https://soundcloud.com/hypnotiquerecordings
Ad1rz

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Posted : Mar 8, 2011 19:19
Great tips

once you achieve your goal export it to WAV and layer it out to 2-3 channels, add some fx's to each channel such as short delays, short reverbs, EQ tweaking and such.
Becktrank
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Posted : Mar 10, 2011 07:21
thanks guys! very helpful posts! will dig into it all...

@cosmic tandav already knew about those videos, looks pretty interesting if i had the budget would buy it...

@kotton thats looks like a nice technique, will experiment with this and i let u know, thank

any mores advices on how to make things become more crazy, abstract will be welcome           ``We shall not cease from exploration - And the end of all our exploring - Will be to arrive where we started - And know the place for the first time.``

bahia
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