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Any producers who use hardware samplers today ?
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Conny
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Posted : Jul 1, 2007 13:06
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Hi i just wonder if any producers use
hardware samplers today.Or is all trance that comes out made with vst synth´s ?
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dtd
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Posted : Jul 1, 2007 13:19
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hi Conny,
for studio work, i recommend you a software sampler. they have a much better "user interface" aka the GUI which is so much better than any hardware-small-display-sampler. they are faster to work with, which in the end decides whether you use them or not.
cheers
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subconsciousmind
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Posted : Jul 1, 2007 13:25
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On 2007-07-01 13:06, Conny wrote:
Hi i just wonder if any producers use
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No, believe that doesn't make sense anymore. Unless you want to work without computer...
Some may still use (as I did) Machines like MPC-4000 which is also a powerful sampler
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Or is all trance that comes out made with vst synth´s ?
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the "or" doesn't make sense.
No, not all trance is done with VSTi. Many still and always will use hardware synthesizers. I do. But it is not neccessairy.
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Tomos
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Posted : Jul 1, 2007 14:10
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Not so much in Trance, but I know that hip hop producers love the oldskool Akai MPC hardware sampler (just as much as we all wouldn't mind a 303)
because the convertors were so awful they made your drums sound 'crunchy'. Apparently this is a desirable quality in hip hop drums.. |
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Elad
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Posted : Jul 1, 2007 14:23
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PoM
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Posted : Jul 1, 2007 15:51
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we had some of our first live based on a mpc 8000(not sure if the number is correct...),it was a pain to program haha you had to type all kicks everything manually .... i think software sampler are a lot better cause of the flexebility .( but yes as tsabeat said the better result is what we should care off )
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faxinadu
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Posted : Jul 2, 2007 10:06
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psylevation
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Posted : Jul 2, 2007 10:14
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I really can't justify using a sampler period, the only reason I've really seen to use one is for bass samples for basslines but you can do that with trilogy.
What do people use samplers for anyway? They seem like they are more hassle than they are worth.
But seriously, what do you use a sampler for?
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Tomos
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Posted : Jul 2, 2007 11:29
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Mapping a sound across a keyboard so you can play it pitched up or down.
Adjusting the envelope.
Some people like to trigger their drums with midi (I just drop the samples straight onto the arrange page)
I know a friend who produces drum'n'bass and he makes a dirty distorted tone, loads it into a sampler, adds an lfo filter cutoff and plays dirty wobble basslines.
Um.. that's all I can think of. I've never used one really, Cubase handles audio so well I've never felt the need. |
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Psytracked
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Posted : Oct 20, 2007 16:12
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On 2007-07-02 10:14, psylevation wrote:
I really can't justify using a sampler period, the only reason I've really seen to use one is for bass samples for basslines but you can do that with trilogy.
What do people use samplers for anyway? They seem like they are more hassle than they are worth.
But seriously, what do you use a sampler for?
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I used to think that way. But would we have DnB if we never had the sampler? Trance styles are more likely to use synthesis, though you can argue sampling is a form of synthesis anyway. The difference being the OSC section is now a sample. I started using the Kontakt2 for a college project which used "found" sounds. My ears have opened up to a new world of possibilities.
Don't do yourself a dis justice.
Some of the effects and textures I have found so far could not be created on a synth. Psy-trance, I think, can benefit from a wider palette.
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Psytracked
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Posted : Oct 20, 2007 19:22
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On 2007-07-01 13:25, subconsciousmind wrote:
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On 2007-07-01 13:06, Conny wrote:
Hi i just wonder if any producers use
hardware samplers today.
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No, believe that doesn't make sense anymore. Unless you want to work without computer...
Some may still use (as I did) Machines like MPC-4000 which is also a powerful sampler
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Thats what I thought. But currently, after playing with Kontakt2, I'm not so convinced.
There is one particular thing that I want to do. In Kontakt I can set up a loop point with in a sample. My adjusting this loop point i can actually turn it into an oscilator. I can tune it, by adjusting its length, to a pitch. What I can't do though is modulate the start and end points together. The Ensoniq asr10 can in realtime, Its 15 year old hardware.
I'm hoping that there is a soft sampler that can do this.
I have a friend who used to program DnB back in 94. he uses an Akai s5000. What he has found that the limited memory meant that you didn't search through GBs of samples, instead you got your hands dirty by going deeper into the architecture of the machine. He says he used to make pads in it from the simplest of sounds. I'm visiting him tomorrow to compare with Kontakt and Exp24.
I'll post up my findings later, on this thread.
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Outolintu
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Posted : Oct 20, 2007 21:21
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i'm not sure if all who answered this thread even know what a sampler is 
one is talking about a hardware step sequencer for instance...
it's true that computer technology of today has made hardware samplers look like dinosaurs. software samplers are easier and far more convenient to operate. you might say you win time as you arrange and edit samples with a few mouse clicks. on the other hand you don't get as familiar with your samples and LISTEN less to them than if you'd tweak around with a hardware sampler.
there are also some effects and tricks you still can do just with "the real thing".
i own a yamaha a 3000 sampler and still use it in my tracks. i've learned first hand about sound probably more as i've been playing with the samples than any other way. and to those who don't get sampling at all: it's the best way to create your original sound! sample anything from scratching your studio chair to street noise and then efx it, tweak it, reverse it, pitch it, you name it. it's fun, it opens up your ears to your surroundings and you end up with sounds nobody else has. give it a try will you? 
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