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any israeli label which is not full on?
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5Meo-Geo
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Posted : Jun 30, 2004 19:54
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well i wont call u stupid but i call u "intelectual limited" person
for me , if u listed to same same same music for 4 years (2000 1st year that fullon take a huge up)
and make same same same music for even longer (well at 2000 it was cool cose it was prety new to all of us,but since then year after year of same shit......pardon) , that means thats something wrong here......
for u its maybe not looks wrong.....
but for me its realy wrong.......
and wierd..........
i ask myself "how can MAN stand in FUC%%%NG FANSY studio for 3 years and make same shit" ????????
how come he never even try to make nothing else??????
he have all what he needs for that and he still copying same stuff that was "cool" 4 years ago
wierd i say..........
"intelectual limited"
and dont bulshit us about open minds after that.........
4 years u still BLESS FULLON and u call uself open minded..............
wierd...........
and we r not open minded.............
in last 4 we moved on but our minds still closed......
and u stayed on same spot but u r open minded.........
pshhhhhhhhh...........
whata deal............
and about comertialism......
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I belibe that the main reason for labels not wanting to publish this type of music is that its commecialy risky - most of the labels producing and publishing 'spuge' trance (as it is called in Finnish) are 'home labels' that barely sell the minimum to cover their expences. Other than that there is the issue of the label's sound - most Israeli labels have a deeper sound and style, so breaking off into the special sound that is a part of the 'spuge' style (I wont say bad sound, only special and different) is usualy not something a label A&R does.
I agree that commecializm can be a trap - when forming a selling formula one might be locked into a very narrow musical path and in the end be boring. Musical variety is important anywhere - in MTV, clubs or our puny scene.
This doesn't give anyone, however, the right to say that this or that style is 'crap' - and that is something I hear a lot more from the people who shout "open your mind" than from the people who are more centered on their musical line. (doing dumb arsim music and ignoring the jelousy maybe?)
well............
u'll c more and more new labels rising
and one day com.pact might be on level of Global Underground label and will run huge money (u also i hope)
it wont interest us
just like u now ignore of all tiesto releases like they not exist
fullon will be another club dancy genre as house
(i remmember myself loves house at 1990 in highschool)
so man did it helped u to understand why all in finland reject ur music????
cose u'r "ART" is not interest alot of ppl there
and also in israel there is some ppl that dont give a shit about it
not about how clear is ur mix
not about how "WOW" ur bass and kick
and not about how facinating u'r "brake-and-blow" tricks
we been there already 4 years
grow up man!!!!!
  Jesus didnt dance,but his beat goes on
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Dustrial
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Posted : Jun 30, 2004 22:04
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well geo might be abit radical
But I have to say i agree with most of the stuff he said here !
most people have 2 much pride to admit its true
and they choose to take some of the stuff as an insult rather then getting the buttom line
and another thing:
I do respect old schoolers and wish u all the best but dont come "waving" your long years in the trance world cause alot of us have been there also since day one and we are still open minded 2day to hear everything
in short: RENOVATE DONT IMITATE !!
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nobody4
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Posted : Jul 1, 2004 08:51
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Although you clearly dont deserve it, I'll try to give some more civil comments on the issue of 'innovative' music to be published:
Unlike what you might think, most of the 'commercial' artists do believe that what they do is art - in their own view. Remember that different people are influenced by different sources, and just like you are influenced by acts like T.faggot, Squaremeat, Haltya or Puoskari they are influenced by Sacha, Tiesto, Oakenfold or Van Dyk - and so the music sounds similar.
I actualy took the pain to listen to a lot of the stuff in Mikseri.net (including your work, Tsabeat) and I can definately charge you with the same 'copying' charges you shoot at the 'commercial' artists. Most of the music there is supposed to be original and 'chaotic', but if you really dig in it is built on the same ideas, same breakes and similar sound production.
Now dont go lecturing me about not understanding this music - I've been there probably longer than you and chose not to follow this musical path because I simply dont like it.
Regardless of that, the main issue is that when releasing material for commerical use ("selling"), you have to have some commercial value, and frankly, the community of 'weird psy' is a small scene within the small scene of global psy trance. labels (as commercial bodies that sell their merchandise) have to have some customers in order to survive econimically - unless they are built purely on passion and some other means of finance.
And again unlike you, I (and most other people in the business, I guarantee) bless veriaty and think that these small labels are important for music development. I don't talk here as Com.pact A&R (a point you constantly try to bash me with), but as someone who sees what's it like 'behind the scenes'.
One more point about Full-on and Finland - here the scenes are different, what is called 'psy-trance' is purely 'spuge' style, while most other styles (such as progressive or Full-on) are called "Global trance" and turn to a completely different crowd (club crowd mostly). This is a sad thing but a necessity, since the 'spuge' crowd is very limited and only wants 'spuge' trance, while club crowds are open to different styles (you can play commercial house, progressive house, full on, breaks and dance and they will dig it). So we are really in different scenes altogether, and your statement about people here not liking full on is incorrect.
but that was beside the point. sorry.
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Elad
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Posted : Jul 1, 2004 11:23
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On 2004-07-01 08:51, helen wrote:
One more point about Full-on and Finland - here the scenes are different, what is called 'psy-trance' is purely 'spuge' style, while most other styles (such as progressive or Full-on) are called "Global trance" and turn to a completely different crowd (club crowd mostly).
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rest my case -
so the only difference is i dont realy think its the same scene ,vibe,pplz,parties,and naturally - music
and if we can stop it here its kewl cause all i want is to find pplz in my state of mind to do my thingz with not fight whats better ok?
try read the thread... and understand i have nothin against no one
and helen if u dont like my music - or style - thats kewl but whats your point? why u feel it shouldnt b exist? as israeli label? i cant find good reason 4 that... u have where to realese your music right?
btw - nice from u to listen tho u dont like it.. understand thats how i feel when i go to buy music and coming back home with ozric tentacles new cd instead with 3-4 trance cd's cause shop-trance makes me wanna get dumb www.sattelbattle.com
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nobody4
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Posted : Jul 1, 2004 12:07
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again, you are not reading the replies:
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And again unlike you, I (and most other people in the business, I guarantee) bless veriaty and think that these small labels are important for music development
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so why do u think I want you to 'not exist'?
Musical diversity is neccesary for the development of new ideas and directions - this is a kind of symbiosis, that commercial music needs underground music to inspire it and inject it with fresh ideas, while undergound needs commercial music to remain special and free.
This is like a wheel - some underground music gets attention, becomes 'cool' and rises up to inspire the bored masses and suddenly its not underground anymore and is infecting many other artists who gets inspired by it. After a while the same underground 'style' becomes the 'pop' or mainstream, and again, after some time a new underground coolness arises and takes over.
It happend with progressive, that was an underground perception of psy-trance that rose to take over the traditional 'goa' trance some years back, and then became the mainstream (everybody did progressive trance back in 2000...), and it became boring - people started asking 'where is the feeling?' and full-on was born (which basically combines progressive elements with goa melodies, if you really pay attention to it).
cheers,
A
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Dustrial
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Posted : Jul 1, 2004 12:17
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On 2004-07-01 08:51, helen wrote:
Now dont go lecturing me about not understanding this music - I've been there probably longer than you
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i just wrote seconds ago
"I do respect old schoolers and wish u all the best but dont come "waving" your long years in the trance world cause alot of us have been there also since day one and we are still open minded 2day to hear everything"
and again you are waving your long years in the scene even claiming that you were here b4 and beacuse of that your more open minded
even if it is true
SO FU@#@NG WHAT !
it doest mean anything
it doesnt mean you are more open minded
on the contrary
people like you tend to look on people from the trance world from above
im not even from the same scene but dont call it "weird psy" (again with the judging ) its finn trance or psy finn
Have a good day ya'll
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nobody4
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Posted : Jul 1, 2004 13:20
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and again you are waving your long years in the scene
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its not waving longer years, its preventing the boring chant of "u dont understand this music because you like full on". and I wasn't refering to the whole scene, I was refering to suomisoundi, to which I have special connection due to my private history.
and what the fuck do you know about 'people like me'? try not to label people, its the surest sign of narrow-mindedness (a bit of advice here, laddybuck).
The term I used 'weird psy' was due to lack of better word, since I intentionaly didnt want to call it 'fintrance' or 'suomisoundi' - mostly because Israelies like Tsabeat and Geo are producing it and insist that it is not fintrance (read their comments as see for yourself).
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nova
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Posted : Jul 1, 2004 14:00
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o.k enough.
it became way out of topic but it kept going since it has a point to the subject and saw the importancy of your argumants but i see the level that this thread is going to and therefor its locked.
u may open a new thread about the subject and start from there more peacefuly.
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