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any israeli label which is not full on?
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5Meo-Geo
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Posted : Jun 15, 2004 17:37
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oh silly me..... ofcorse .......how i didnt saw it before :/
nadi i dont want to fight with noone.....
and not argueing with noone
just say my mind of what ive read......
zombi if u do "surprizing sexy grooves" competition then call me then we will talk about it
candy i'm chilled already .......
i take my medicene 
compi that we work on is not finish music
its pure israely (finish music usualy made in finland (we also think to release finish compilation with finn music but its after 1st cd))
anyway "finish music" is not defenition for all crazy music
  Jesus didnt dance,but his beat goes on
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GuyShanti
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Posted : Jun 15, 2004 18:38
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Elad
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Trip-
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Posted : Jun 23, 2004 16:25
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one of those days I will.... heh
Crackling universes dive into their own neverending crackle...
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Narc
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Posted : Jun 23, 2004 19:16
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I dont know about labels, and why would they be that inmportant in developing progressive for example here in Israel.I find much more important at a first stage to have some more artists that will do this music.
and there are, but only few. Moshic,Day Din and Etic ( great album by the way, respect   )
But still that is not enough comparing with all those full on artists.. lot of them are good, but... oh my 
And I think after ppl here hear start to get more music like this, they will start to listen it more. And only then is job of labels to start bringing and promoting foreign artists here.
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5Meo-Geo
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Posted : Jun 24, 2004 13:19
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i think progrecive is already a closed isue to develope
progreccive reached it develope peak in trance with shiva shandra at 2001
it was brought to level that noone passes till now
i have some friends into progrecive.....
when they develope (moved on) more and more they begon write idm (that is not trance anymore)
others moves to house and minimal tech
fullon is same isue....
closed to develop........
as soon as genere begins to work on built formulas there is not much to develope anymore
any progrecive track will sound same
as any fullon track will sound same
1 good thing goes to progreccive over the fullon is that it not made by some dumb arsim and E junkies that learned to controll the pc and learned basics of making fullon (then they take this "small world" to perfection).
progreccive artists usualy invest much more energy and thinking in the track, building it much more wiser..................
but still same 'formulas' work
dont wait to those 2 genres to develope cose they wont........
hope it answers ur questions narc
and hope noone will start bite me again becouse of what i wrote 
Jesus didnt dance,but his beat goes on
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Narc
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Posted : Jun 25, 2004 00:38
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I think U said pretty enough. I tottaly agree with U. That is also why I like more progressive then full on. because there is no 4x4 all the time in the song, and it is put much more work to do it.
and yea I agree with U about "formula" in janrs, that just has to happen soon or later... I just think that in progressive it will happen much later than in full on 
and this will lead to developing more and more janrs and different variable music ; what is also good
everyone will find his peace ..
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nobody4
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Posted : Jun 30, 2004 10:35
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I keep wondering about the big contradiction in which many 'psy hippies' who raise the flag of 'crazy music to open your mind', who are constantly bitching about being openminded to their special style of music (as you claim that the labels should do, for instance), but on the other hand labeling most of the 'other' approaches to trance muse as 'shit', 'dumb arsim music', 'crap', kitch' and so on.
I belibe that the main reason for labels not wanting to publish this type of music is that its commecialy risky - most of the labels producing and publishing 'spuge' trance (as it is called in Finnish) are 'home labels' that barely sell the minimum to cover their expences. Other than that there is the issue of the label's sound - most Israeli labels have a deeper sound and style, so breaking off into the special sound that is a part of the 'spuge' style (I wont say bad sound, only special and different) is usualy not something a label A&R does.
I agree that commecializm can be a trap - when forming a selling formula one might be locked into a very narrow musical path and in the end be boring. Musical variety is important anywhere - in MTV, clubs or our puny scene.
This doesn't give anyone, however, the right to say that this or that style is 'crap' - and that is something I hear a lot more from the people who shout "open your mind" than from the people who are more centered on their musical line. (doing dumb arsim music and ignoring the jelousy maybe?)
Full-on is indeed on the same crossroad that progressive trance stood some time ago - some artists are rising above the general formulated whole (like Sub6, Void and or Sesto Sento), while the rest are doing what is accepted and wanted (commercializm) - this state will eventualy change as the crowd start demanding something else (like before) or when someone introduces the 'next thing' - maybe you have it?
good luck with any venture you plan to take,
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Elad
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Posted : Jun 30, 2004 12:38
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On 2004-06-30 10:35, helen wrote:
I agree that commecializm can be a trap - when forming a selling formula one might be locked into a very narrow musical path and in the end be boring. Musical variety is important anywhere - in MTV, clubs or our puny scene.
(doing dumb arsim music and ignoring the jelousy maybe?)
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music by formula is crap and i can say it as much as i think its right, and it is stupid arsim music . and it do kill the art!
and how can it craete jellousy? arsim is so lame!!
and about the sound... to my ears haltya sound much better then astrix!!! also the choosing of soundz as the final quality..
p/s i can copy the gms formula as anyone but there are thingz you dont do for $$ ( like sell out)
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nobody4
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Posted : Jun 30, 2004 12:59
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Exactly my point Tsabeat - how can you expect people to apreciate you, take you seriously and respect you if you carry an attitude like this? on one hand you ask if there is anyone who is ready to be openmided enough to listen and publish this type of music, and on the other you slash and dirty all other types of trance and the people who produce them.
And about copying GMS formula, you say you can do it, prove it. I'm not a big GMS fan, but it takes another kind of geniosity to create a product such as Brittny Spears or Christina Aguilera (for instance).
Shouting "stupid arsim music" is quite childish, specialy when many more people like it as much as you like your precious 'spuge' trance. You get so offended when people say Suomisoundi is crap and mayham, but also very fast with the insults - of course this is an open forum and you can say all you wish, but remember the orginal topic and dont be suprised if the return attitude of the people in the industry is not as you expected.
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Mike A
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Posted : Jun 30, 2004 13:20
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Tsabeat - I'm an ars?
I am very open minded - I listen to just about everything (except the dark-psy stuff which sucks IMHO), also outside trance. I listen to the so-called "quality and original" music, and yet I find melodic arsim fullon the most interesting out of all.
Am I stupid? 
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nobody4
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Posted : Jun 30, 2004 13:41
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Mike, this is the same attitude I encounter here in Finland with the people who are into that special type of music - a narrow view and total disrespect to anything that even remotely smells of 'commercializm', even if it is done in good taste. These artists (or music fans) who exist on the idea of musical freedom and the ability to create everything in the name of ART, have no respect to something that is different and created in someone else's view.
I believe that a lot of this attitude is comming from frustration due to lack of recognition: artists that although been around producing and publishing their music for some time with limited commercial success turn around and muddy everyone who 'makes it in the big legue' (such as Astrix...).
That is what I meant when I said Jelousy...
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Elad
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Posted : Jun 30, 2004 15:16
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On 2004-06-30 12:59, helen wrote:
Exactly my point Tsabeat - how can you expect people to apreciate you, take you seriously and respect you if you carry an attitude like this? on one hand you ask if there is anyone who is ready to be openmided enough to listen and publish this type of music, and on the other you slash and dirty all other types of trance and the people who produce them.
And about copying GMS formula, you say you can do it, prove it. I'm not a big GMS fan, but it takes another kind of geniosity to create a product such as Brittny Spears or Christina Aguilera (for instance).
Shouting "stupid arsim music" is quite childish, specialy when many more people like it as much as you like your precious 'spuge' trance. You get so offended when people say Suomisoundi is crap and mayham, but also very fast with the insults - of course this is an open forum and you can say all you wish, but remember the orginal topic and dont be suprised if the return attitude of the people in the industry is not as you expected.
BR,
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helen
*if anyone on this forum never heard or dont know whats full on... haha i dont think so when i say full on evryone allready listened to..
*i dont need to prove nothing, specialy not to you..
*stupid arsim music was quote from you i never said it on the first place . and if u realy care for my opinions for that we have sarit hadad.
*formulated music is nice when 1 artist follow his own formula.. not evryone by the same one.. that sucks cause you heard one then you go to next one it seems repeat... boring me..
*that are all my opinion agree or not i wont change the world here 4 sure.. hehe
mike - if u ask that i'll let u figure it out alone... i dont know you bro..how m i supose to answer? www.sattelbattle.com
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nobody4
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Posted : Jun 30, 2004 15:35
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Tsabeat, by answering the way you did you just proved exactly what I said - the debate wasn't about whether you should change your musical taste or whether Full-on is better or worse than spuge (a direction you seem to take constantly) - we all apreciate your taste and respect it. Nobody said anything about changing your opinions, I only pointed out that this defensiveness and 'nose up in the air' attitude ("our music is sooo much more sophisticated/artistic/better than the crap THEY're making...") wont get you anywhere - you just look silly and childish.
Respect to your taste, and again, I wish you success.
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Elad
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Posted : Jun 30, 2004 16:02
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helen - thx first of all - just notice i never said about full on exept asking if there is any OTHER labels.
i dont even think its bad music .
and calling me "up nozed" when i defend myself from you saying stuff in my name... that never been said.. as arsim music..is kinda weird.. cause i never said something is better then the other, just more funky and thats not something i'll argue about.. some like groove some like power.. thats ok with me..
and one last - i started this thread to find label not for u telling me "why should b?" - now thats weird attitude no?
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