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Any good artists willing to release examples?
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Shiranui
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Posted : Apr 16, 2010 17:15:54
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I was wondering if any good artists are willing to release project files for one or two of their songs, for new producers to learn from.
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orange
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Posted : Apr 16, 2010 17:44
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nope..
this is the way to sound like that artist.. for me its better to take you twice or more time to get where you want but you will really learn in the process and create your own sound.
for every messy track you make there are always parts of it that are good, keep those good parts and incorporate it in the next track you make finnaly you will have a track that has all the good parts of all the bad tracks you made.
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-=Mandari=-
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Posted : Apr 16, 2010 18:30
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On 2010-04-16 17:44, orange wrote:
for every messy track you make there are always parts of it that are good, keep those good parts and incorporate it in the next track you make finnaly you will have a track that has all the good parts of all the bad tracks you made.
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+ gr8 1
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willsanquil
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Posted : Apr 16, 2010 22:53
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I disagree that you will end up sounding like artist x if you take a peak at artist x's project files.
for instance, tom cosm - I've downloaded a bunch of his ableton project files and learned a lot of stuff from them that I might never have learned or would have taken me longer to learn had I not taken a look. However, my 'sound' (infantile as it is) is going in a different direction than his.
Learning is learning is learning - as long as you're not trying to remake the exact same track/sound you can incorporate different techniques into your own work - anything that gives you that "a HA! THATS how you make that sound" moment is worth going after.
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mubali
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Posted : Apr 17, 2010 22:35
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well said will but the individual needs to want to make their own unique sound first and actually successfully do so before they get their hands on some other artist's project.
Beginning artists are very impressionable and until the find their own voice, their voice will be similar to what they like to listen to. So if you give a new artist a project file, they might just end up not intentionally sounding like them, but doing so in the end and that stunts the artists individuality and puts a whole slough of copy paste projects in the works. I don't feel that really helps people.
If you wanna learn, go work with someone who knows more than you do. or do some research.
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Posted : Apr 17, 2010 23:22
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There is no use of sharing project files with the absolute beginners. I think they should go slower and natural way to their own sound...
It`s ok for the intermediate producers to upgrade their knowledge and to share some tips.
But there will always be people that want to go with the short way...
Its like asking a great guitarist to show me in one day how to play guitar like him... Can`t be done.
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willsanquil
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Posted : Apr 18, 2010 01:40
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I suppose this is all relative to how new the producer is, as I completely agree that if you are just starting out as a producer and have very limited knowledge a full project file will be way over your head at best, and at worst will impede your progress.
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minddoctorsmakeacid
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Posted : Apr 18, 2010 03:31
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the daleks
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Posted : Apr 19, 2010 12:53
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On 2010-04-17 22:35, mubali wrote:
well said will but the individual needs to want to make their own unique sound first and actually successfully do so before they get their hands on some other artist's project.
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as much as i love you mubali, i'm going to have to disagree on this, especially the successfully do so part 
taking a look at an artist's project file can be incredibly enriching once one has an understanding of the basics of music production, especially if one is isolated from working with other artists
the generous and brotherly Subconscious Mind has a full cubase project file on his site workshops > basic > full cubase file
http://www.subconsciousmind.ch/
i would recommend to take a look at
i found this to be greatly helpful in my own quest, as I had been making some kind of electro music for years, but was missing some key elements of how to build a trance track. i adapted some of the framework and structure of the track which eventually evolved into something that sounds entirely different that the original and that i still use in my live sets today
i dont think anyone in their right mind would feel good about copying verbatim someones track and trying to take credit for it, which is what i think most artists would be worried about in giving someone a project file.. although yes there are some people not in their right minds also
one could perhaps retort 'how much is it worth to you?' 
the Soundmagus / Cubase Guru tutorial vid is a very good view for getting some tips on building a track, and the wealth of free midi files on the internet are also great learning tools Gamma Riders EP out now on iTunes and Amazon.com!
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TimeTraveller
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Posted : Apr 19, 2010 13:52
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I myself really appriciate there exists guys like Tom Cosm.He is a giant for me.I doubt I would ever sound like him even not a slightly bit,but it is a great help to learn really interesting techniques.
I find it also very enriching for self ,if you know and share.(It is generaly speaking).It's almost like you learn from sharing the most imo.
I can understand the other points though.
I myself think to share is a state of mind that sympolizes a superabundance of wisdom .
And I also thank guys like Mubali who helps here on this platform with constructive inputs I'm glad for any correction and help.
There are guys who seriously and sincerely love to learn new things and any help would be a gift that comes back .Also it helps this music genre to develop.(The copy cats are in abundance and this cannot get worse,it will stay like this.)To find good music is already as hard as to find new techniques or good "teachers" imo.
If you have someone who is better and can show you than fine hooray for you - but this is not always the case.
ps I doubt there exist a guy who really learned every single technique etc without others.
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Maine Coon
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Posted : Apr 19, 2010 16:41
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Mubali,
I see your point. You don’t want to stifle innovation by providing a cookie cutter. Instead, you’d prefer everybody to just try and make cookies their own way, however clumsy it may be.
But consider this: when you learn to play an instrument, you play some established composer’s music and use note sheets. And later you study composition on those classical examples too – before you start composing anything of your own. You don’t just open a piano and press keys in hope that something cool will come out.
I don’t know... I suspect copycats will be copycats, no matter how they learned the trade. And creative types will start creating sooner if they can learn from accomplished artists. I surely hope Tsabeat’s thread for newbies will continue.
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Suloo
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Posted : Apr 19, 2010 16:53
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was already posted
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lantiocho
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Posted : Apr 19, 2010 17:12
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Posted : Apr 20, 2010 14:19
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mubali
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Posted : Apr 21, 2010 02:05
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I can totally feel that if someone who already knows what they are doing to a point will be able to benefit. I also agree with this and if I were to hear some new person's music that I really enjoyed and found had some serious promise, then I'd give them project files and a few presets for some sounds. However according to the tone that the OP was referring to, he says new artists. I consider a new artist a person who has not released a tune as of yet. That doesn't mean that a new unreleased artist doesn't know what they are doing, it's just a lot of artists to wade through.
Of course no self respecting artist would want to copy another person, but if you get a project with a bunch of already made sounds or presets for sounds, the individual does not take the time to deconstruct the sound or in most people cases, figure out the sound by trial and error. The trial and error aspect is what can produce a different perspective on an establish sound.
If I were one to want an example of a track, I'd pay more attention to the mix, as opposed to the individual sounds. I'd look into how the sounds fit together and occupy different frequency ranges, creating a whole from individual parts. This is really what is lacking in a lot of newer producers, the context of the mix and sound balance... you can always get sounds from presets, but there's no preset to help you in the mixing stage.
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