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Antix has turned to Minimal techno as well!
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full_on
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Posted : Jun 18, 2007 01:39
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I agree with Alias, progressive fans (not all of them, but many) tend to place most other styles in the same garbage can, specially the full on genre (and this is happening since the beginning).
I agree most full on releases are sort of devoid of innovation, but hey, most progressive is just as empty. Of course there are good releases in both genres; I'm buying them every month, so why label whole genres as trash???
Not to mention that there are also good and innovative "dark" releases (very few), but the day the proggy heads admit that the world will definitely change.
Even funnier is the "talks" about being open minded... Sure, open minded only to things they already like...
I believe everyone would benefit from instead of trashing the bad side with ugly generalizations, highlighting and supporting the good side.
@ Djones: Progressive will not die. It does not rely only on D-Nox & Beckers, Antix, Perfect Stranger, Ace Ventura, Iboga & Tribal Vision and even freQ e Jaia... It is much wider... There are excellent stuff waiting to be discovered, including in older releases.
So I give full support for artists to do what they feel like, including venturing outside our little psy bubble.
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Oran
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Posted : Jun 18, 2007 02:23
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On 2007-06-17 21:47, Nathan wrote:
as a one who listen mostly to progressive music I can say that I really do not like anything from Zenon Records.. No emotion no music it's not Progressive its Frogressive.
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As a one who listen mostly to progressive you should know that calling Zenon prog and put it in the same box with the music you listen to mostly is a crime you whould probably be burn in hell for one day..
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Nathan
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Posted : Jun 18, 2007 07:11
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 so how do U Call it? Dark Psy on low BPM? I Cant think about another name.
And No. its not tech Trance, Like ppl sometimes think it is.
fluffy prog Vs Dark Prog
Fight!
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full_on
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Posted : Jun 18, 2007 07:55
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Nathan
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Posted : Jun 18, 2007 08:52
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Not my Taste- I don't Like The Flow.
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kazuku
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Posted : Jun 18, 2007 16:53
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I havnt been very open minded towards this music recently, but Antix I will definetly check out. Those guys really know how to make people smile and dance. If they keep some of those Antix typical atmospheres, nice.
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neuromantik
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Posted : Jun 19, 2007 00:14
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On 2007-06-18 01:39, full_on wrote:
I agree with Alias, progressive fans (not all of them, but many) tend to place most other styles in the same garbage can, specially the full on genre (and this is happening since the beginning).
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Not to mention that there are also good and innovative "dark" releases (very few), but the day the proggy heads admit that the world will definitely change.
Even funnier is the "talks" about being open minded... Sure, open minded only to things they already like...
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So very true, very spot on observation...
I read everyday different threads about new artists and promotional posts and the such and I almost ALWAYS have to read some prog nerd start dissing whatever is being posted, using some sarcastic reference image to attempt to make a point... (chainsaw, screams, plastic)..
I'm sorry but tastes are tastes and it would seem that the prog crowd at least here on isratrance are the most intolerant of them all and would rather eat their testicles than admit that bad music exists in ALL genres, progressive included.
I happen to dislike a lot of music in all genres, but I usually don't go out of my way to consistently bash em (eh pavel? detox?) I mean it may be my opinion, but when yuli you starts talking about production quality I'm sorry to say this but the day most of you prog artists come even close to Juno Reactor, Ghreg on Earth or Sensient in originality, production, and storytelling by music then you MIGHT be entitled to make your hasty generalizations, until then please respect other artists and genres. |
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Yuli
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Posted : Jun 19, 2007 02:07
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On 2007-06-19 00:14, neuromantik wrote:
...I happen to dislike a lot of music in all genres, but I usually don't go out of my way to consistently bash em (eh pavel? detox?) I mean it may be my opinion, but when yuli you starts talking about production quality I'm sorry to say this but the day most of you prog artists come even close to Juno Reactor, Ghreg on Earth or Sensient in originality, production, and storytelling by music then you MIGHT be entitled to make your hasty generalizations, until then please respect other artists and genres.
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Sensient makes killer music, I know him personally respect his art and his unique sound. I might not play his music, but even if u search really well you wont find a bad word I ever spoke about him.
Juno Reactor are amazing band that are fore fathers of all trance genres around. The been there since late 80's, and bein an inspiration for me and many other musicians.
Ghreg on Earth - never heard his music, so I cannot say anything about it.
So far?...
The sound quality I was referring is not that of progressive trance but of minimal techno. And if we need to start comparing then in my vocabulary Sven Vath & Juno Reactor are pretty much same league of giants. I don't think either me or Sensient are in the same league and he will probably agree about that. It takes alot of years of working in studio to get there.
About the rest of my NASTY generalizations...
Please read the topic carefully, and you will see that once already I have responded about my NASTY generalizations and found correct.
If you need further explanations I will be happy to assist you
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Yuli
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Posted : Jun 19, 2007 02:12
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And being pretty much hard on my own production skills I can reassure you that at this given moment I don't feel inferior to any of the artists you have mentioned, maybe we take Juno out of the equasion as I already did before.
Lets not start getting into this "who has the bigger" thing cuz it leads nowhere, never did and never will
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Posted : Jun 19, 2007 02:48
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I don't know about you people, but to me antix has always been on the minimal edge of the scale. I don't see how this can be "Strange" or even "unexpected" for there new album. Can't wait to hear it !! 
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Tasos_NOtrea
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Posted : Jun 19, 2007 03:40
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I think Lull is closer to minimal sound because it is the most organic and sure the most successful album of Antix.Minimal techno is my current favourite sound for more than a year now and I must say that the new Antix isn't minimal techno at all.it just has some elements of it but for sure it's a progressive trance/house release.Now I saw some arguments here about respect on different music tastes etc.I must say that in my country at least the most people in trance events don't feel happy when the music is different from d-nox and beckers,liquid soul,astrix and kindzadza styles and they often blame the dj's/live acts who playing something new or different in front of their faces without respect..I found the biggest part of trance scene arrogant and selfish because they think that they listen the best music around..
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Posted : Jun 23, 2007 19:30
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On 2007-06-19 03:40, Tasos_NOtrea wrote:Now I saw some arguments here about respect on different music tastes etc.I must say that in my country at least the most people in trance events don't feel happy when the music is different from d-nox and beckers,liquid soul,astrix and kindzadza styles and they often blame the dj's/live acts who playing something new or different in front of their faces without respect..I found the biggest part of trance scene arrogant and selfish because they think that they listen the best music around..
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M8 this doesn t happen only in greece ,believe me...As for the Zenon's stuff, i think this is a good example to see that the selfish and not open-minded behaviour u mentioned before,has no borders(see upper posts like nathan's)!Maybe you(nathan) don't like that stuff but u are not the one who can define their style and put it out of prog trance scene...
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LigaLize
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Posted : Jun 24, 2007 18:16
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Great album by Antix brothers
Was very happy when i listened this cd
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Bender B. Rodriguez
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Posted : Jun 25, 2007 01:33
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On 2007-06-17 17:36, Fu Hsi wrote:
To be perfectly straight with you, I believe that minimal techno is much more psychedelic then progressive trance
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OH C`MON! And for me disco folk is more psychedelic than anything! I really dislike comments of this type. For crying out loud...
Antix is as much psychedelic as are GMS. OH MY GOD! Is this sacrilege? No, and it is the truth. Don`t get me wrong, Antix music is not comparable to GMS in any other category. It`s
more complex, interesting, advanced. It`s 1000000 times better, but it has to do with psychedelia, as much as my basketball snickers.
I know you gonna throw rocks at me now. 
And Antix isn`t minimal techno, it`s neoprogressive.
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CLAW
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Posted : Jun 25, 2007 02:55
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1st of all, who ever said that this is minimal techno it seems to me that he/she hasn't listen to minimal techno yet 
Not close... Maybe some touches
And yes, I think for an artist to create something different and experiment is an advantage and not a disadvantage!
Creation has no limits, and during a creative moment lots of new ideas come into a mind!
This can happen only if the creator's mind is open for feed from different other music genres!
And i strongly advice that!
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