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Anti-Phase Phase phase question about my phase with my phase phase
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Saf
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Posted : Dec 8, 2007 13:37
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Pff, stereo. I was at a 5.1 party last month and I couldn't stop thinking holyshit holyshit holyshit the whole time. It was Sensient and Nystagmus from here in Vancouver. |
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Nomad Moon
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Posted : Dec 20, 2007 18:58
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On 2007-12-08 13:37, Saf wrote:
Pff, stereo. I was at a 5.1 party last month and I couldn't stop thinking holyshit holyshit holyshit the whole time. It was Sensient and Nystagmus from here in Vancouver.
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Man!that must have been gooooddd!Music all round ,i'm felling a chill down my spine just thinking about it
 Tudo que é melhor e mais superior em mim saúda tudo que é melhor e mais alto em si |
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vegetal
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Posted : Dec 20, 2007 22:49
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On 2007-12-08 13:37, Saf wrote:
Pff, stereo. I was at a 5.1 party last month and I couldn't stop thinking holyshit holyshit holyshit the whole time. It was Sensient and Nystagmus from here in Vancouver.
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What good is 5.1 if it isn´t mixed in 5.1.
Sounds more like a "promotional hoax".
On the other hand i liked the old parties we had outside orebro where we had the speakers set up in a square, standing in the sweetspot was a nice trip i have to admit 
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Posted : Dec 21, 2007 09:09
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yeah i have written some surround psy (both quadraphonic and 5.1) and it's fucking awesome. the more the better imho! |
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e-motion
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Posted : Dec 23, 2007 13:08
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i would like to hear some pro artists opinion on mono PA's... i've played on both systems but i'm not anywhere near pro and never played on a big party.
about compression, it depends, i only compress a signal if it jumps a lot in dynamics (example: i have a synth that goes too high in peak volume but doesn't sound that loud) but usualy this is not necessary cause if you distort a signal it looses dynamics and a synth of mine rarely passes undistorted
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acidkills
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Posted : Dec 23, 2007 14:11
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On 2007-12-20 22:49, vegetal wrote:
What good is 5.1 if it isn´t mixed in 5.1.
Sounds more like a "promotional hoax".
On the other hand i liked the old parties we had outside orebro where we had the speakers set up in a square, standing in the sweetspot was a nice trip i have to admit
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Yeah I was listening quadrophonia but never 5.1.. And ur right what use of it if it isnt mixed in 5.1 and the tracks arent in 5.1..
But, luckily, cubase supports 5.1 :-D
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acidkills
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Posted : Dec 23, 2007 15:16
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On 2007-12-08 11:07, Zoopy wrote:
Okay so I just watched AndiVax's mixing tutorial video and the part about Phase/AntiPhase problems intrigued me.
Much to my dismay, when I view things with PAZ analyzer, alot of my synths etc. have ridiculous 'anti-phase' problems.
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Just downloading that tutorial, seems good, clear and understandable..
That PAZ analyzer is nice but I find NuGen Visualizer VST better so u could consider checking your phase problems directly from your DAW when mixing..
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MadScientist
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Posted : Dec 23, 2007 15:29
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logic's correlation meter is your best friend to avoid phase-issues (as long as you work with logic) 
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Posted : Dec 26, 2007 19:59
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i have written quad and 5.1 in ableton live and it really sucks - no surround support, so you have to do everything with sends and busses... which means you have to think about send levels etc. etc...
it quickly gets very, very confusing  |
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TimeTraveller
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Posted : Mar 4, 2012 16:01
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bumped .
What you use to correct anti phase problems? .. I only pull stronger the mono maker in bx brainworks. Is there a nice virtual plug in for correction? What are your recommendations?
..also , when I bounce my files to audio I have the habbit to have amongst other controls - the PAZ Positon plug in (from WAVES) - which shows me if there are any problems with anti phase.
If yes than I switch on another plug in on my master output and set the mono maker to a value where no more difficulties are visible in the PAZ Position plug in. Usual this is the 300 Hz area to my logic the lowest worth would be 300. Everything below has to be in mono at any case IMO. Still I have than often anti phase problems..I think I need a kind of a better plug in for analysis and correction.
Do you correct anti phase on any file you bounce or just one time at mastering?
in this thread there is alot of basics and like what are the cool analysis tools.. Im interested in correction... how do you do it?
...saying this I never have anti phase issues above - 40 dbFs but anyways Id like to have really nothing with anti phase.
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Alien Bug
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Posted : Mar 4, 2012 16:39
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I never couldunderstand PAZ Analyzer. When i When I check in every other analyzer, everything is ok, but when I check on PAZ there are always antiphase issues.
For fix it Im using Stereo Enhancer (Cubase native)(I simply move the knob towards the mono). If this is a synthesizer, then I turn off all the blocks (fx, filter, amp etc )and check one by one where can be an error (probably in voices spread, detune or in Chorus/Phaser?flanger fx).
You need only to make mono bass (below 200-150Hz), synths, sfx and other things can be really wide here.
My favourite analyzer is RND INSPECTOR XL but its not free
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TimeTraveller
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Posted : Mar 4, 2012 16:45
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yes the same here .. I also have another one.. and there is all ok.. but not in paz...so that paz really gives me an ? ...but I think Waves should be not lying..
Thanks mate.. interesting..never used this..I like to work in brainworks and work seperately for mono and stereo in for instance bx_control V2.. I push the stereo widening sometimes a bit.. never above 140% even though even in big rooms it sounds often nice at 190% ^^
I learned that you cannot orientate bass in stereo under 300 Hz thats why my logic comes with 300 Hz atleast..
Red Inspector Xl.. sound nice.. don't know this guy.. need to check it.Dzienki
also my pob now arises just form a pad without any effects on it.. and I like it really as it is small tweaks absolutely change the sound there.
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daark
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Posted : Mar 4, 2012 19:08
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No it does not matter.
I saw that thing from andi and i don't agree with this technique.
Instead of having a nice wide stereo signal you narrow it down so it sounds narrow... So what is the point if it narrows down automaticaly when you are playing on mono ?
Just check it on mono from time to time and see if it sounds ok and nothing wierd happens.
Most systems are not mono.
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TimeTraveller
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Posted : Mar 4, 2012 23:19
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I think the lower frequency sound should be clearer tighter and punchier and more defined when there is no problems with phase.
Even if this probably are small differences that might only be noticable on better sound systems.
I believe it is better although this is truth that there are almost no mono systems around.
I'm interestend how to correct such things.. Some synths got controls for phase some not than Id just like to know.
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Alien Bug
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Posted : Mar 5, 2012 08:34
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As long as the sound is in stereo stage, everything is ok. Not matter if it is 50Hz or 10kHz.
Wavelab stereo analyzer:
You can have a very wide sound in this area
DAARK is right. If you are checking in mono and all is well, then you dont need to do anything.
In the club or at an openair party, the characteristics of sound reflections, noise, too much dB level, etc, cause that sound will not play ever perfect. Band below 300Hz in this case is reserved for the bass line and kick. Rather, no one can hear antyphase mistakes in this area.
For home listening: you have nothing to fear. Stereo issues are only reserved for club soundsystems (that are often mono).
Incorrect setting of the PA causes that the waves cancel out, even as they are perfectly fine-tuned in the studio. Rather, there are few events in which professional sound engineer sets PA Loudspeakers according to the laws of physics calculations ;-)
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