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Darius
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Posted : Jul 16, 2005 12:40
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So many music producers arown here  Do any of you live form making music, or you have another jobs ? How many of you won some money from making psytrance... or just spend money on equipment, PC's ,soft?
It was my biggest dream to be a psytrance artist and to live my live from making music not from a regular job. But afther few years of spending time and money on equipment, still no results 
There are other artists in the same situation ?? or simply i don't have talent in doing this, and i have to find something else to do ?
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XrTC
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Posted : Jul 16, 2005 12:54
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i would say get a 'normal' job to earn yourself some money and stick to music-making as a hobby. it can be an expensive hobby sometimes and that's why you need the 'normal' job.
if things go well you will start earning some money from your hobby and maybe one day you will be able to quit the 'normal' job in order to dedicate fully to music. but, until that day comes, you need to make a living... so, think about it!
good luck! 
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Lithium
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Posted : Jul 16, 2005 13:35
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yes donŽt give up.
things donŽt come easy, a lot of work involved, thousands of hours spent in the studio and a couple hundreds of tracks until you or anyone becomes a real pro, then just a bit of luck involved and youŽll be releasing tracks. i have also spent a bit of money but on the other hand as i spend most time in my studio i also save money in night partying and beer and stuff like that so it gets a bit even  |
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Kitnam
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Posted : Jul 16, 2005 14:09
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its a hobby, not more.
i like to spend around 1-3 hours each day with music, this is enough to have 1-3 releases each year. but its all low-budget, its my money in the studio, the labels pay with long delay and this means that i would never make a financial plan of it, which would be necessary to stay alive from it alone. would it be realy usefull to give up the reallife jobs and a studium? no way. this is trancemusic, not popmusic.
there are some people which realy life from it, my respects to them.
i wouldnt have the creative ressources to make a fulltimejob from it and the business itself is too riskfull, and you have to handle it as a business if you want to life from it. means also that you have to go with the masses and produce for market-demands. besides of that dj and so on. i like to go on parties but not every weekend. ist also a hard job to make a lifeact or a dj set, working at night, driving 200 kilometers or more from one booking to another, in some cases alone and you always have to fight to get your money as promised.
and if you have a job and see that its just a hobby, your are independent! you can produce music for fun, not for money. and you can see everything relaxed. |
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Lithium
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Posted : Jul 16, 2005 16:04
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On 2005-07-16 14:09, Kitnam wrote:
its a hobby, not more.
i like to spend around 1-3 hours each day with music, this is enough to have 1-3 releases each year. but its all low-budget, its my money in the studio, the labels pay with long delay and this means that i would never make a financial plan of it, which would be necessary to stay alive from it alone. would it be realy usefull to give up the reallife jobs and a studium? no way. this is trancemusic, not popmusic.
there are some people which realy life from it, my respects to them.
i wouldnt have the creative ressources to make a fulltimejob from it and the business itself is too riskfull, and you have to handle it as a business if you want to life from it. means also that you have to go with the masses and produce for market-demands. besides of that dj and so on. i like to go on parties but not every weekend. ist also a hard job to make a lifeact or a dj set, working at night, driving 200 kilometers or more from one booking to another, in some cases alone and you always have to fight to get your money as promised.
and if you have a job and see that its just a hobby, your are independent! you can produce music for fun, not for money. and you can see everything relaxed.
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wise advice ideed |
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The_Guardians_Of_Truth
Atma
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Posted : Jul 16, 2005 16:43
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Well...i personally live from making music. I spend aprox 16 hours in studio every day and I don't have another job. It is true, that i live in Romania, and this is a cheap country, and most of my booking are outside Romania. So if i have 1-2 booking outside, payed aprox 400-500 euro + money from compilations, and studio working for other artists, i think it is enough for me to live a decent live. A man with a normal job here win 100 Euro..
So, sometimes it is ok to find a cheap country to live like Romania, and win money from outside. This can be an good ideea also for other artists who can't affort to live in west european countrys. It is also possible to work 6 months in Germany for exemple and to spend 6 months in Romania makeing music. The rent for a big house 3-4 rooms, alone, is aprox 200 Euro/month, and you need another 100 -150 euro for food, gas, telephone....
So with 350-400 euro/month you can stay 1 month in a house, somewhere in a nice city or in the mountains, making music all day.
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And about what Darius said: talent it is important too but you need also a lot of work
I produce psytrance since 95-96, but only in the last 3-4 years the results camed and also money
Anyway there is a lot of options, but afther my oppinion.. if you wanna do profesionall music and your dream was, that one day you will be a new Simon Posford for example, than quit the other jobs and activity's and start to work music, not 1,2,3 hours on a day...but 20 hours on a day !!!!!!
For example: if you wanna be a profesional football player... that you have to quit jobs, friends, personall life; you must put you work on the first place and train yourself everyday..
It is the same with music, and everything in life !!!
But you have to decide: you wanna be musician or just a guy pretending that he create music ???
It's your decision !
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AlphaQuadrant
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Posted : Jul 16, 2005 17:51
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well the only money i made was with my former band "split effect" on mp3.com ( there was a time you got $$$ from plays + downloads ) also we released 1 ep and participated in 1 sampler.
guess i wonŽt make much money with new project.
1. competition too strong these days, every 3rd person seems to make music in any form
2. copying + burning lowered sales a bit ( but had not the massive imapct some ppl. esp. from the industry tell you btw. )
3. ppl. in general have not so much money anymore, in case of EU / germany we have high unemployment here , so these ppl. hardly can buy much cdŽs
but it doesnŽt matter since music is still one of the most important things in my life. i make music, listen too much differnet music ( goa, gothic, metal, electro, ebm , indus, triphop etc. ) and also write articles for an quite big german internet zine.... |
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The_Guardians_Of_Truth
Atma
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Posted : Jul 16, 2005 23:51
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Well !! The competition is really strong those days !
But if music is good. Peoples will buy it, there is still a lot of peoples who buy music, especialy for colections
The solution is simple:
good music = good selings = more money !!!
But the big problem in psytrance music is not the artists, but the bad management of labels. They have problems in finding good artists and distribution !
The psy-trance sceen is too much in internet selling..and not in store selling. And this is not good, because most peoples don't buy from interenet.
In Romania, a country with 23.000.000 of peoples and with a nice growing trance sceen, there is not even 1 Trance shop, and most of Online internet shops dont send Cd's here
Peoples, will buy trance music if they can find it on markets and at a resonable price.
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AlphaQuadrant
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Posted : Jul 17, 2005 15:36
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@ atma: i agree! |
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mubali
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Posted : Jul 17, 2005 23:26
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I can understand a few points that Atma was making, but I also have my own views about this. I work full time doing accounting for the YMCA near where I live. I spend my free time writing music (and not pretending either) I feel that if I were to rely on making music just to support myself, that would compromise the quality of my musical ideas. I'd find myself having to "force" music out regularly just to make ends meet. That would probably make me deal with many labels and sometimes it is difficult to get paid. I would be trying to play live sets all the time and in the end, I probably wouldn't enjoy writing music anymore.
My love for the music and making it comes from the sheer want to share the ideas I have through this medium. I would like to take a little time off from work to travel Europe for a month or so, but other than that I enjoy keeping these two aspects of my life seperate. I was raised believing that sometimes you do what you have to to do what you want to.
I also spend a lot of time in the studio, but I recognise that sometimes ideas come and go... if things aren't working today, I find something else to do and try tomorrow or the day after... You can burn yourself out on the music if you don't take regular breaks...
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Cardinals Cartel
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Posted : Jul 18, 2005 01:56
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I dont dream . I live in a dream .. !
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