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Posted : Oct 25, 2009 10:23
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And you are saying that sex in public is not Exhibitionism? a way to get a kick... well i firmly believe that this is the case...
Well it doesn’t have to be. It can be like two people kissing in the park, well now just imagine that the day is really nice and they take it to the next level. Maybe in a society that was more open to sex they would not feel so self counscious and people would pass by without even looking at them. It would become totally normal to see people having sex in the park on a beautiful spring day with the flowers blooming and the birds chirping. Peple would walk by and think, aww, what a wonderful world, so much love in the air.
It’s like somebody nude walking around the neighborhood. In the puritanical society we live in everyobody would stare at this person and they would even call the cops. Help! There is a pervert walking around naked, how offensive! Kids were there playing, the horror! However if you have ever been to a nudist/naturist colony you will find that there are families with kids and old people and everyone is just naked or half naked or clothed if they are cold. But nudity becomes totally normal and you see a person nude walking by and you don’t even care to stare at him/her. Maybe if the person is really beautiful you will look and say, wow great body and face but its not the nakedness that is making you go crazy but the actual beauty or qualities of the person.
And I think becoming at ease with people having sex is probably just taking it to the next level. We are horrified now because we are not used to it and we have too many negative associations attached to sex in public. In our minds this is not supposed to happen so we react right away against it.
But really what is the big deal? I don’t get it. I mean I know why people make a racket.. because they have been taught by society to think this way. But if you just try and see things without prejudicsm, I just don’t see what is so horrific about two people having sex in the open.
What is so disturbing about that???? I see too humans together with their genitals together. Like wow.. the horror! Honestly I don’t get what flips people about this so much. It’s beyond comprehension. People react like they are killing puppies on stage. As if they are throwing dirty dippaers to the public and pissing on their heads. Like OMG!!! Its sooooo offensive. I think I am going to totally have a bad trip. LOL. Like what the fuck are you guys seeing in that picture??? Sure these guys are putting an exibitionism show and maybe what they are doing can not be compared with making pure sweet love under a rainbow. But still, what is the big deal? They are naked just like we were brought to this world, like an innocent baby! And besides that they just have their genitals together and are aroused by eachother and are giving pleasure to each other. It sounds almost pretty! It’s not that different than putting your wet toungue inside your partners mouth for a french kiss, in some way. But with the FFF stuff people react just like how ultra conservatives acted when Janet Jackson showed half a nipple on TV. I was wondering, what do these people see in that half a nipple that is so freaking disturbing. I concluded that it wasn’t Janet Jacksons nipple but something in their head. Hehe. Otherwise it made no sense whatsoever.
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Posted : Oct 25, 2009 10:32
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On 2009-10-25 10:23, Aluxe wrote:
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And you are saying that sex in public is not Exhibitionism? a way to get a kick... well i firmly believe that this is the case...
Well it doesn’t have to be. It can be like two people kissing in the park, well now just imagine that the day is really nice and they take it to the next level. Maybe in a society that was more open to sex they would not feel so self counscious and people would pass by without even looking at them. It would become totally normal to see people having sex in the park on a beautiful spring day with the flowers blooming and the birds chirping. Peple would walk by and think, aww, what a wonderful world, so much love in the air.
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Posted : Oct 25, 2009 11:27
and you guys have probably heard of the bonobos which are the closest animals to humans beings. They share 95% of our genetic makeup and along with dolphins and humans are the only animals that use sex for pleasure and not just mating. Well actually that last bit seems to be a matter of debate and maybe a myth. But anyways..
They are basically chimpanzes but smaller and way more peaceful. And unlike the common chimpanze bonobos use SEX to keep the community happy and without fights.
Hey maybe thats how humans were at some point in regards to sex until our religions decided it was a good idea to use it against us to control us. Its just a thought. Maybe if we were more sexually liberated we would be less aggressive and competitive with eachother like the chimps. Its a wild thought... but why not.
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Posted : Oct 25, 2009 11:35
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On 2009-10-23 18:45, Moki.Time.Wave.Zero wrote:
some 10 fucked up minds can really damage the whole thing.
and it's a very wise thing to call someone "fucked up" just beacuse they dont agree to what you say & do?
WoW!
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Posted : Oct 25, 2009 11:43
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On 2009-10-25 11:27, Aluxe wrote:
and you guys have probably heard of the bonobos which are the closest animals to humans beings. They share 95% of our genetic makeup and along with dolphins and humans are the only animals that use sex for pleasure and not just mating. Well actually that last bit seems to be a matter of debate and maybe a myth. But anyways..
They are basically chimpanzes but smaller and way more peaceful. And unlike the common chimpanze bonobos use SEX to keep the community happy and without fights.
Hey maybe thats how humans were at some point in regards to sex until our religions decided it was a good idea to use it against us to control us. Its just a thought. Maybe if we were more sexually liberated we would be less aggressive and competitive with eachother like the chimps. Its a wild thought... but why not.
I like your deep thaughts.It may was the way in some ages before.
I myself feel monogamy is the nice way for me.An 'eternal' love~bond like secret and unsharable.
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Posted : Oct 25, 2009 12:48
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Dear Login, Aluxe, FFF and Tina
Whatever your views on the concept of public sex, and some points raised have been good ones...I am extremely thankfull that it is not the norm, and won't be for a very long time. Be it close minded, a reflection of the cages we live in, an argument for sexual repression....it is just something that doesn't sit well with most of us sheep like conforming individuals and 99% of the world...and THANK GOD for that. I am past the point of trying to come up with educated reasons right now, because this is not even an issue I want to concern myself with.
To liken public sex to freedom of speech and such lofty ideals is just stupid, because SEX is a private thing in this day and age, whether you like it or not. Most basic biological processes are Private and have been since time immemorial, it has nothing to do with rights or freedom, it just has to do with the concept of deal with your biological processes in private. Whatever ancient cultures did, in this day of disease and uber resistant viruses/bacteria I truly believe PREVENTION is better than CURE..and saying that public sex can be safe IF done properly is a huge IF and humans have a track record for not indulging in any freedom responsibly sp i think that while some people MAY have public sex responsibly, many wouldn't.
You want to fuck, minus the consequences and at the same time foist the visuals on the rest of us..SOUNDS IRRESPONSIBLE ALREADY. The responsible thing to do would be to find a place conducive to sex and have it there...wow EVERYONE IS HAPPY...you get to have your sex peacefully, and we get spared the display.
But the moment you try to force this ideal of PUBLIC SEX on the PUBLIC, it won't work in your favour if the PUBLIC is against it. Find a population that is sympathetic to your cause and then fuck in public, simple.
Whether you guys are right or wrong, it doesn't even matter at this point. ALL freedom has it's sets of limitations to prevent abuse, if you don't respect these limitations and wish to call it a farce of freedom so be it, but that in itself is an indication of the unrest that could follow were freedom without any limitations. Freedom extends to oneself, and your personal choices...but the moment you want to engage in a public activity, yes that freedom comes with a huge set of limitations, cause where one person's freedom begins another's end. I think a ban on certain substances is not correct cause that is the state controlling a personal choice that could be exercised in the confines of my home..so that people who do not have to deal with it don't need to be exposed to it...I find a ban on abortion a violation of one's freedom cause those who wish it should be able to dictate what they do with their own bodies, and once again those who do not believe in it need not be exposed to it. But public sex means that those who do not wish it, will still be exposed to it and this is where it stops being OK.
Thus it is easier to do such things in private (or an open area for a specific purpose) where no one gets hurt, no one has to complain, and people can choose to be there or not. I do not understand why this is unacceptable to you guys, it seems pretty fair. Just as they have nudist beaches, and camp grounds so that those who DO Wish to walk around naked are not left out but are afforded a place where they can do as they please, so should people who wish to engage in Public sex go to a sex camp ground or whatever (make one). Put some effort into your cause for public sex and create areas that are for the purpose solely. But to be lazy and say "Hey we just wanna do it everywhere" is a cop out.
People's right to a happy and healthy "sex life" should definitely not be compromised, however engage in your happy and healthy sex life in a conducive area. Fucking on the dance floor is NOT a requirement for a healthy approach towards sexuality, and if that's what you are getting at, I strongly beg to differ because that's a psychological preference and the world does not need to indulge every being in their psychological preferences.
dear fria,
once again i see you speaking about "our" cause and i just want to remind you that i never fucked in public and would never do it ( beaches in the night are not called in public i guess).
and i hate polygamy as well as unprotected sex with strangers. with people who do this i am quite likely to even avoid smoking a joint together.
so please dont call this "our" cause.
i am just disturbed by two things:
1. fuck for forest sent away for being naked and doing naked ativism ( with the sex i quite agree that it should not be performed unless it is an agreement between all sides - organisers or owners of the place)
2. because i see human beings hurt with this discrimination and with such abuses that they have seen in the cases decribed in the video.
this is all. and dont worry, this will never be the norm. if it were the norm, we would not have 42 pages of talk about itbut just 1-2 boring pages and a couple of clicks. and if it gets the norm ( you know that hinduism itself says that kali yuga will end when the "signs" that are described in the holy scritures appear and one of them is that young children will be grand mothers, so i guess we will witness quite a lot of decadency in the next years..... and may be centuries- in case kali yuga continues for much longer time than we new age dudes believe), and if it gets the norm, i will be the first to search for people outside the norm.
btw me myself, i told you so many times, i have totally different view of sex. i practise a totally different thing than fuck for forest.
and yes i have experimented earlier with all those things like bdsm, or the group extasy on the proper places, or whatever it is, but i just realized that it is not what i want and i practise solibacy right now. it is clearing my thoughts and my mind out of the 15 years of sexual life before that. it is the " discrimination" of non reality out of reality that you were talkng about. btw i do the same with the psy parties right now. it is just exactly as unreal to me as the idea of sexual pleasure without experiencing the sacred in the sex.
but anyway, i read a book recently, it was about why there were no female genious persons in the history. and in this book there was an issue about the following;
females sell or give out sex for love. males give love for sex. of course it is generalised. but may be it is not that far from reality.
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Posted : Oct 25, 2009 12:57
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On 2009-10-25 12:48, Moki.Time.Wave.Zero wrote:
but anyway, i read a book recently, it was about why there were no female genious persons in the history. and in this book there was an issue about the following;
females sell or give out sex for love. males give love for sex. of course it is generalised. but may be it is not that far from reality.
This is the most ridiculous generalisation i have ever come through! SELLING SEX FOR LOVE! BIGFUCKINGLOL!
I would suggest you to NOT reading such books!
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Posted : Oct 25, 2009 14:45
i said give out or sell. and it does not imply the selling but the fact that they would rather do everything for love. including all sorts of sexual practises and performances. to get the love. whereas a male at least under a certain age would rather give everything for sex. he would even give a bit of love or pretend to give it in order to get the sex. i would suggest that this genralisation is not that far from reality. whatever.
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Posted : Oct 25, 2009 14:57
I would suggest that your generalization has a lot to do with your personal issues towards males.
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Posted : Oct 25, 2009 14:59
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On 2009-10-25 14:45, Moki.Time.Wave.Zero whatever.
this finish it all no?
+1 on what Axis said in the above post!
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Posted : Oct 25, 2009 15:49
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On 2009-10-23 18:45, Moki.Time.Wave.Zero wrote:
some 10 fucked up minds can really damage the whole thing.
and it's a very wise thing to call someone "fucked up" just beacuse they dont agree to what you say & do?
WoW!
i rarely call anyone fucked up just because he does not agree with what i say or do. i rather do it in case
- i see that someone puts his personal attitude towards me in a public discussion and damages the flow of the objective discusion
- i see that he pisses on my freedom of expression, freedom of believe and freedom of behaviour ( the latest is restricted either through public rules or through public moral, but ONLY if the rules are applied on EVERYONE and not only on me
- i see that he is offeding me or my creative ideas and i mostly use theword fucked up or fucking boring in a context of sexistic offending
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Posted : Oct 25, 2009 16:12
moki: IMO, most of us here are just trying to have a discussion. I don't see anyone forcing his/her attitude towards your personality (otherwise, only if you percieve things personally on you)
So i think it was unfair to say that "10 fucked up dudes" are trying to ruin this discussion, that is all!
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Posted : Oct 25, 2009 16:23
this was said some pages ago while a user was writing to me that i am little pompous bitch. while i was explaining to him politely the basics of video steaming servers.
and once more here: i mentioned an objective statement in a book and only said that my personal experience in life does support this statement in 100 percent of the cases. but i am getting old and i guess i will have different perspectives about the sexual desires of males in the next 10 years after i stop being a twentager soon.
another issue from this book was that 95 percent of all noble award winners are males. females have it mostly in the fields of literature and peace movement. mozart was celebrated with three years, whereas marie curie was even not alowed to go to study in a university. most women with overnormal intelligence have always been prohibited by society because we live in a male society.
same with the cause of saving a forest. many times it ws said that a forest is not saved if you bought it. i disagree. you save it, because otherwise it will be sold to some fat rich europeans and then be turned either into wooden furniture or into a nice hotel for big western asses. so if leona or natti try to save a forest - they are disqualified for reasons that seem to me simply too discriminating. if you wanna restrict a public behaviour, then do it WITH THE SAME RULES FOR ALL PEOPLE .
same with entheogens - you cannot say entheogens and smoking is prohibited but alcohol is not.
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Posted : Oct 25, 2009 16:30
If someone says they think your ideas are ridiculous, it is not sexist just because that person is gender (X) and you are gender (Y).
Just like if someone says they think your ideas are ridiculous, it is not racist just because that person is race (X) and you are race (Y).
"You're just saying that because you're a man and I'm a woman" is weak.
"You're just saying that because you're white and I'm black" would be equally as weak.
For example, when I called you an epic idiot, is because I thought your (individual) ideas are epically idiotic. Me being a man and you being a woman had no more to do with it than if I were white and you were black. If you were male and you said word for word the exact same things you have said all along, I still would have called you an epic idiot and your gender has zero influence on it whatsoever.
"Sexism" is completely related to gender, not physical sexual acts. Just because we are in a discussion about sex and you are pro-public sex, calling someone who is anti-public sex a "sexist" is a misuse of the word.
