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mentalcandy
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Posted : Oct 22, 2009 21:33
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On 2009-10-22 21:18, Loopfreaks/Electrofreaks wrote:
May I express what 99% are thinking here.
Spare us from horny hippies having sex on the dancefloors. Go and rent a room!
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i think electrofreaks summed it up in that sentence....... end of discussion....
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moki
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Posted : Oct 22, 2009 21:54
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On 2009-10-22 20:23, Fria Tantrumm wrote:
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You're right, Tahitians did indulge in public sex, and did walk around naked, and had children as a consequence of their sexual activity.
Does FFF foster children out of their sexual activity?? or do they use modern age birth control but then bitch about how sex is unnatural these days?
Whatever the Tahitians may have done, it was an isolated society that lived in harmony with it's surroundings. The Amazonians probably do the same as do most tribes living in secluded places. Oh and they also indulged in human sacrifice and as Mundi said, genital mutilation.
Urban societies are not the same and hence fucking all over the place would cause more negatives than positives.
I mean if FFF moves to Costa Rica and fucks all over the forest there it's great. DO it in a natural surrounding..but to live in the unnatural world, and then bitch about how unnatural everything is..i don't know, I personally find it a cop out. Practice your sexual exhibitionism where it's accepted.
Anarchists still argue that anarchy does not imply nihilism, anomie, or the total absence of rules, but rather an anti-statist society that is based on the spontaneous order of free individuals in autonomous communities. So to strip at an anarchist congress is not necessarily appropriate and thus they were asked to leave simple.
Now if they went to a nudists conference and were asked to leave I would understand your chagrin.
But to land up places and just expect people to be sympathetic to your cause (which is actually quite bullshit in the first place as no one represses your nudity but just asks you to do it in specific places) is almost vain.
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so what i read here is that you would understand my chagrin if they were sent away from a nudity conference, but not from an anarchist congress. but hey, is this not the same if they are sent away from a workshop " sex and anarchy"???
who is more suitable than them for this workshop??? what is sex and anarchy then??
your main problem is that you dont even know the people who sent them away. so it is okey to behave totally in contrary to the accepted rules of the community or to give a workshop about anal fisting, but it is not okey to just fuck for a forest?
it is ridiculous. anyway, i have enough rdiculous things recenly, so i guess we will all really have to change the environment and just move to a more natural environment.
btw the tahitis are not the only ones. i already gave you a link to the sexuality of the greeks, but as it was not scientific enough, here another one from the humboldt university of
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Generally speaking, the ancient European civilizations had a very positive attitude toward sex. In the present context, however, we can perhaps skip over the civilizations of Northern Europe and concentrate on those in the Mediterranean region, since only the latter had any long-lasting influence on our Western morality.
In ancient Greece, sex was seen as an elementary life force, and thus all sexual impulses were accepted as basically good.
Indeed, various gods and goddesses of fertility, beauty, and sexual pleasure were worshipped in special temples or on special occasions, often with orgiastic rites. The Greeks also believed that virtually all of their gods led vigorous and varied sex lives. Therefore they considered it only proper for mortals to follow this divine example.
The Greeks thought so little of sexual abstinence that their language did not even have a special word for chastity. Instead, they devoted themselves to what they called hedone, i.e., sensual pleasure in all its manifestations. However, the "hedonism" of ancient Greece was by no means a prescription for sexual license. Rather it was a cheerful enjoyment of life, a grateful appreciation of the human body and especially of its sexual functions.
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Temples, theaters, public squares, and private houses were decorated with statues and paintings of nude men and women. The sexual aspect of nudity was openly recognized. Many works of art, in fact, depicted sexual responses and sexual activity. The Greeks felt a constant yearning for beauty, and in their eyes nothing was more beautiful than a young, healthy, nude human body.
All forms of love were of divine origin and had to be respected. This basic belief explains why the Greeks were extremely tolerant in sexual matters and why there was no persecution of sexual "deviants". At any rate, most of our modern, more bizarre manifestations of human sexuality were virtually unknown.
Summing up, one may say that the religions of both Greece and Rome allowed for the full expression of every human sexual potential. The contrast to our modern religious beliefs is striking
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http://www2.hu-berlin.de/sexology/ATLAS_EN/html/sex_and_religion.html
just pay attention to this text pls.
as far as the 99 percent are concerned. i dont even slightly have this impression btw. even in thi thread i dont think at all that these were 99 percent. and outside even more.
but i dont underestimate the fact that the trance scene in general has a problem with sex. too much anti-sexual substances out there. too much sexually incapable males with desperate hormon problems. whatever it is.
i was not here to persuade, i was here just to post this interview on leaving, because i promised i would. now you have it. i guess i am finished wth this issue now. keep trance unsexy and decent.
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Fria Tantrumm
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Posted : Oct 22, 2009 22:19
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@ Moki
You think FFF make sex look sexy??
A far cry from it, but again this is in my opinion, and I sure as hell don't want to see them fucking in front of my face at a party, period. Call me a bigot, close minded, right wing whatever. It's a preference I choose to align with. It has nothing to do with my religion, I am not Christian, I just don't want to see certain things at certain times.
And saying the trance scene has anti sexual substances is just another BULLSHIT statement. I mean where do you even get this??
I don't care who sent them away and from which place. FFF was specifically told that a NUDE protest would not be tolerated by the congress, and by not respecting the sentiments of the people whose conference they went to, they deserved to be kicked out. They were warned, they chose to oppose and so they were asked to leave. Perfectly correct on behalf of the congress. If FFF wants to instigate people to tolerate their sexual preferences, then they need to tolerate people's reactions to their displays. It's not a one way street my friend.
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Aluxe
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Posted : Oct 22, 2009 22:46
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Oh you mean just like all the catholic priests who are the first to teach sexual modesty? Yeah I can see how much their repressive morality works in real life.
And if the Greeks had sex with little boys does that discredit everything else they did? Like if the Moche of peru had sex in public and also sacrificed people does that mean that if we have sex in public we are going to start sacrificing people? Kind of stupid way to look at it if you ask me. Because maybe the fact that Greeks had sex with little boys had more to do with their disregard for the rights of kids than with their sexual freedom.
And lets not forget that we TODAY have all types of atrocities and sexual scandals and diseases and the dominant attitude about sex is completely reppresive.
And Axis I think you are simply wrong when you say that sexual freedom equates more sexual abuse and spread of disease. Not if we do it properly with the right regulations and education so we can protect kids and the spread of diseases. And the thing is when you repress sex its not like you stop people from having sex or abusing children, it just goes down under behind doors and people talk about it even less because of all the stigma around the sex issue. It becomes a very hard for victims to endure not just because of the abuse itself but because society is down on sex that it has double weight. To me sexual repression is like burying your head in the sand, when if we showed some reverence and respect to sex we could bring it out to the open so that people start feeling comfortable and talking about it without shame.
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Posted : Oct 22, 2009 22:54
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On 2009-10-22 21:54, Moki.Time.Wave.Zero wrote:
but i dont underestimate the fact that the trance scene in general has a problem with sex. too much anti-sexual substances out there. too much sexually incapable males with desperate hormon problems. whatever it is.
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Hi Moki, You should visit the death metal scene or the pop scene or the Tiesto scene where i guess there are many "capable" males
MOki teri chudaai ho rahi hain, right here right now !
Can all the "capable" men in the trance scene please stand up ?(no pun intended)
TranzBros presents :
FFM : Fuck for Moki
Calling all capable males, get it up for Moki la Koki.
All proceeds will go to the save Moki foundation. Due to the current recession, only certified grade A USDA Angus beef will be presented to Moki from capable males in the trance scene
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Fria Tantrumm
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Posted : Oct 22, 2009 23:05
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@ Aluxe...
1) Sexual repression is when people are restricted entirely from having sex.
Example 1)...In Islamic countries homosexual activity is a crime, THIS IS SEXUAL REPRESSION.
2) In many Islamic countries women are prohibited from having sex entirely until they get married. THIS IS SEXUAL REPRESSION.
You insult the people who are truly repressed by championing FFF's cause as a case of "sexual repression".
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TimeTraveller
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Posted : Oct 22, 2009 23:10
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I don't think the trance scene has a problem with sex.It is just a love ritual you dont want to share with each one.
Universal love to each person from spirit to next spirit for sure,as long as they are sincerely otherwise i myself am not a monk tbh.
If all would be fucking outdoors on a festival I would prefer to go at once home and watch a good horror movie instead of this schism.Probably Id never ever go again to such events.
Me and also mi ex'wifes' have always regarded the goa parties as PLUR area (tis utopia still lives in me) and respect also to don't hurt anybody to respect other mentalities and meet it the middle of sencirity.
I think the st.pauli whores have a bigger sense of respect to humans .Never ever have seen one of'em fucking under my balcony where i lived for a few years.And they each of the nights - outdoors of course.
Btw why the FFF people fuck on those big festivals in brasil and here and there etc? -Where some souls might wanna expirience something spiritual it would make much more profit for forest if they fuck somewhere in the red light district or found a fff agency or make some fuck videos srtaight from tha jungle and it could save the almost forgotten old good eazy going goa spirit and save the tribal oneness from nonsense.And maybe they would be more credible regarding their forests.
All in all respect to Moki you made only the interview and an enormous discussion and is a good defender of your opinion.It is just mine about this topic.
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Axis Mundi
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Posted : Oct 22, 2009 23:13
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@ Aluxe
You are reading too much into what I actually said. I never quoted anything Catholic or even Christian in my arguments (except for a few opinionated remarks of Jesus's words a few pages ago which didn't really even have to do with the topic of sex anyway). Whereas the Greeks were brought up more than once in the argument I am opposing. Not only the Greeks, but pedophilia, sexual slavery, genital mutilation and more by multiple cultures were directly quoted, verbatim, in support of the argument I am opposing. Also, we are not talking about "everything else the Greeks did". We are talking about the Greeks as related to the topic of sexuality. There IS a correlation between the Greeks' open outlook on sex and their preference for sex with children. There is NOT a correlation between liberal sexual outlooks and human sacrifice.
Regarding modern day atrocities, this is also something I brought up some pages back but nobody else bothered to discuss that at the time.
I never said the status quo was a model for the way things should be ideally. In fact I agreed with you partly in that I would support public areas designated for sex paid for my my tax money in the society I live in. I think something like that is a healthy compromise but sex on the street corner is not.
Regarding whether you think I'm wrong, that's okay and I respect your opinion. However I think throwing the doors open wide enough to let anything in is not going to solve anything and instead make many matters worse. To use another example of society not related to sex, laissez-faire extreme free market capitalism opens the doors for all kinds of abuse as well. And people are quick as lightning to exploit it out of greed and selfishness. As I said, I cannot think of any instance where a set of freedoms and rights was not exploited in some way by people, and sex is certainly no different, as evidenced directly from the quotes the conversational opposition. Look no further than Moki's quotes for examples of what I'm talking about. A more carefree outlook on sex opens the door for sex not to be taken seriously and therefore for irresponsibility to occur. With that irresponsibility come all sorts of unplanned-for consequences that not only affect the individual but the society as a whole.
You are right in this statement:
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However it can also be argued that it could be hard on victims of sexual abuse in a society where sexuality in all forms is a lot more open. Imagine being a 12 year old of either gender that is coming to terms with just having serviced the whole village and everyone around you is telling you that it's okay.
Going from one extreme to the other doesn't really solve the general problem. Being okay with fucking little boys and girls is not showing reverence and respect to sex. Genital mutilation is not showing reverence and respect to sex. Sex slaves are not showing reverence and respect to sex. I could go on with the examples but I think (hope) I got my point across.
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i was not here to persuade, i was here just to post this interview on leaving, because i promised i would. now you have it. i guess i am finished wth this issue now. |
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Uhm yeah, read that from you 38572 times now. See you again on these forums in about five minutes. |
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thinkingsound
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Posted : Oct 23, 2009 01:10
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We have passed our sustainability on Earth, Overpopulation in numbers that exceed the carrying capacity of its habitat. Plenty of fucking going around to support an environmental eco meltdown in the forest. The planet is not in danger, but we are. We like to believe that we are saving the planet while in reality we are working on saving ourselves. Sexual suppression sure seems like a good population control theory to "save the planet", maybe we should try it. Sounds like a bunch of lazy hippies wanting to fuck to satisfy selfish values camouflaged as freedom instead of making a true difference.
The values of the 60's was "share and care". Wow, that really worked.. Todays value is "fuckem and killem", a correction to save the world. Neither approach seems to work, one increased the population like the baby boom and the other is man killing man. What a dilemma we humans put ourselves in..
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^^ we can fuck with out having kids, there are many anticonception methods
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Aluxe
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Posted : Oct 23, 2009 09:03
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On 2009-10-23 06:27, Login wrote:
^^ we can fuck with out having kids, there are many anticonception methods
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Exactly! It's all about doing it right otherwise we are fucked regardless of where we practice sex.
But with the right education and regulations there is no reason why sex in public has to be any more dangerous than private sex. And nobody is suggesting that sex has to be allowed in every single public space, I mean that is ridiculous. Like sex on the public bus, hehe.. come on guys, In some buses they wont let you eat and for sure not smoke, it makes sense since its a crowded space. However there are many PUBLIC places where this is allowed. So same should apply to sex. But to bann it simply because it offends the minds of conservatives should not be enough of a reason.
And in regards to safety its all about educating the people and enforcing certain regulations protecting kids and other important aspects. That way people will not be inclined to take advantage of the freedoms and confuse freedom with abuse or freedom with irresponsibility, because there will be consequences for them just like there are when you rob a bank. Its all about doing it right! |
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JohnTaramas
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Posted : Oct 23, 2009 09:09
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And it burns, burns, burns... the ring of fire, laa la la laa
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Aluxe
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Posted : Oct 23, 2009 09:20
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1) Sexual repression is when people are restricted entirely from having sex.
Example 1)...In Islamic countries homosexual activity is a crime, THIS IS SEXUAL REPRESSION.
2) In many Islamic countries women are prohibited from having sex entirely until they get married. THIS IS SEXUAL REPRESSION.
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Fria there are different degrees of sexual repression. And just because you might be in a bigger cage does not mean you are free. Sexual repression is everywhere in our society and most people are hardly aware of this. Like why do you think people are not even allowed to walk naked in most public places? Does this really seem normal and natural to you? I mean does that really make perfect sense to you, that even in at the park people can not walk freely with their exposed body without offending others? There has to be something really fucked up here if we think this is normal. But unfortunately this has been going on for so long that it just feels perfectly normal for everyone. It’s like a bird who has lived in a cage all of its life and who has become perfectly comfortable and at home with the bars around him, he can not imagine that there is anything more beyond the cage because that is all he has ever known.
That’s why the FFF guys cause such a racket, because people have a very strong repressive attitudes towards sex. People can claim that they are anarchists, liberals, atheists, free thinkers but all these repressive attitudes about sex are deeply engrained in our subconscious and they are not that easy to truly shake away. You have to really challenge everything you have been taught and it’s not easy, specially because you get a lot of people condemning you. Because for most people the fact that our society is even sexually reppressed to start with is not something they can really see. Incredible! It’s like an elephant in our living room. Because our eyes are not our eyes, they have been polluted with all we have been taught about sex and that’s what we see. Like William Blake says, we have to clean the lens of perception!
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Posted : Oct 23, 2009 09:33
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On 2009-10-23 01:10, thinkingsound wrote:
We have passed our sustainability on Earth, Overpopulation in numbers that exceed the carrying capacity of its habitat.
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Indeed...
EARTH FIRST!
Let's strip mine this planet before we move onto others.
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Dogon
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Posted : Oct 23, 2009 09:45
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so yea, stop fucking & reproducing!
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