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moki
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Posted : Oct 22, 2009 18:21
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On 2009-10-22 15:44, Fria Tantrumm wrote:
If sex indeed was practiced publicly by our ancestors then maybe I would accept it as natural behaviour.
But showing me clay photos and saying this indicates a level of sexual liberalism is just a very weak argument. In this age we are sexually liberal as well, but fucking in public was just never in good taste.
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and again you show yourself extremely narrow minded and full of empty preaches.
interesting why dont you even comment the facts that are given to you - about the public performance of sexual acts in the ancient times.
what ancestors do you mean - whom do you call your ancestors exactly?
because i can give you at least ten ancient cultures where sex was performed in public.
http://www2.hu-berlin.de/sexology/ATLAS_EN/html/sex_and_society.html
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| Outside of Europe, however, many societies developed very different sexual values. When, after centuries of isolation, Christian explorers finally discovered such societies, they were amazed and incredulous. For example, when Captain Cook came to Tahiti he was greatly surprised to find that the Tahitians had sexual intercourse in public and "gratified every appetite and passion before witnesses". Thus, he reported in his Account of a Voyage Around the World (1769):
“A young man, nearly six feet high, performed the rites of Venus with a little girl about 11 or 12 years of age, before several of our people and a great number of natives, without the least sense of its being indecent or improper, but, as appeared, in perfect conformity to the custom of the place. Among the spectators were several women of superior rank who . . . gave instructions to the girl how to perform her part, which, young as she was, she did not seem much to stand in need of.” |
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we continue about the human festivities in the acient world.
http://www2.hu-berlin.de/sexology/GESUND/ARCHIV/SEN/CH10.HTM#b5-FESTIVALS%20AND%20SEX
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| Festivals, collective rituals, and ceremonials are therefore all examples of celebratory events affecting everyone in the community. Rites and rituals may be sacred or secular, and sex may be expressed on such occasions in diverse ways.
Rites of passage are another kind of ritual context in which sexuality may be present. In contrast to the communal aspects of ceremonials, festivals, and rites of intensification, rites of passage focus on the individual and mark a transition to a new status, such as from girl to woman or boy to man.
Human sexuality may be encountered in rituals, ceremonials, and festivals in a variety of ways: symbolically, allegorically, metaphorically, and in simulated or actual sexual behavior. Ritualized sex may include component attributes of sexuality, such as sperm and blood, genital mutilation or manipulation, symbolic or actual intercourse, or a blending of these.
This article presents an overview of several types of ceremonial activities in which sex has an important role. Because discussion is restricted to events in which sexuality is expressed behaviorally, the metaphorical expression of sexuality (e.g., in fertility rituals centering on phallic and vulval symbols) cannot be covered in detail. The following brief description of a Japanese fertility ritual demonstrates the symbology of copulation in the absence of coital behavior. It is provided as an example of the richness and variety of sexual metaphor.
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and unless you have a comment on that, i suggest you stop repeating the same restrictive narrow minded song of pseuo decency.
or is the link not enough again?????
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Axis Mundi
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Posted : Oct 22, 2009 18:39
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Oh wow, public intercourse with 11-12 year old girls, genital mutilation, those are things every society should strive for >_>
So is this what's actually being advocated here?
Also, the article in that link talks about sex at ceremonies and festivals. This isn't just any random old day out of the year. Also the argument about sex in temples etc. ... while yes, temples were considered public places, these happenings also occurred at designated times and places. Meaning if you go to this certain place at this certain time, you know what to expect. |
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Aluxe
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Posted : Oct 22, 2009 18:40
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And Fria you never answered this question:
On what grounds OTHER than personal subjective values would you prohibit people having sex in their front lawn (visible to people passing by)? It’s a very specific example because sex in public does not mean it has to be accepted in every single place, just like smoking or skateboarding isn’t accepted everywhere, there are non smoking or designated areas but many of these are PUBLIC or in public view. So here is a specific example: somebody having sex in their front lawn in plain view of people passing by. If you say it’s a safety issue then please explain how is it more of a safety issue than somebody having for example a barbecue or other activities like playing football at their lawn. This will help clear the issue for me on what you’re true reasons to ban public sex really are so please answer the question if you don’t mind.
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moki
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Posted : Oct 22, 2009 18:51
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On 2009-10-22 18:39, Axis Mundi wrote:
Oh wow, public intercourse with 11-12 year old girls, genital mutilation, those are things every society should strive for >_>
So is this what's actually being advocated here?
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i suggest you take a course in history about the sexual education and sexual life during the old days before the states of america came to the political map of the world. there were days when people lived up to 30 years and generally started their sexual life much earlier than we coould ever imagine. in those days the role of a female was quite restricted to having sex, blowing and giving a birth, cooking and getting the apples from the tree while the male is sleeping exhausted after a night with the power of the devil. in those days it was unimaginable that a woman would wait till 30-35 to ever get pregnant after graduating a socially respected education and starting a job.
so a sexual act with 12 year old girls was not seen the same way as nowadays. and btw even nowadays you will find girls with 12 who are more sexually grown up than others with 25 years.
this is not advocating sex with children. it is advocating the right of fuck for forest to be and exist the way they are. and if you wanna have a public discourse bout fucking in the middle of a dancefloor, which i have never seen them doing personally , but anyway, if you need this to be done a different way, then talk in public, argument like an adult.
to ban them and prohibit them is the weakest thing you could do. it is the method of THE BIGGEST LOSERS
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Axis Mundi
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Posted : Oct 22, 2009 18:59
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I already know what happened back then, and OK, so I repeat, because it happened back then, that makes it okay for today? We're talking about allowing this NOW.
Because when you reference articles describing genital mutilation and sexual slavery to support your argument, that is the message you are getting across.
You also mentioned Greeks earlier, who had sex with little boys. Even though it was customary in that society, does that make it okay?
Where are you drawing the line here?
It seems like you people are saying we should allow more sexual freedom and implying that everyone is going to be responsible about it and treat those freedoms with respect, and I am saying NO, it will be the quickest thing to be abused as it has in the past and the articles you are using to support your argument only support mine.
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Fria Tantrumm
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Posted : Oct 22, 2009 20:23
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@ Aluxe...someone's personal lawn is private property, and while I might be put off by a display of sex in plain view, I could then choose not to walk past that lawn. It isn't a safety issue when done on someone's lawn, because it still is private property and a controlled environment and my kids for example would not have to be present on that private lawn..but in a playground for example, it's not OK.
Please don't make my views extreme. I am not denouncing public sex in all forms, I'm saying restrict it to an area designated for that purpose.
But licensing sex anywhere and everywhere is something I would be very against in this time and age, because as I said, it would just lead to a disruption of regular activities, be hard to control and most importantly, be abused. I mean if people start fucking on a public bus, or train, it just leaves the rest of the passengers highly inconvenienced. Maybe the rest of the passengers don't approve, maybe they don't want their kids to see such things...why inconvenience the whole of society when society is not saying "DON'T FUCK IN PUBLIC JUST DO IT IN A PUBLIC AREA SPECIFIC TO SEXUAL ACTIVITY." If exhibitionists have no regard for the rest of the people why should I have any regard for them. I would understand a strong reaction if they were allowed from indulging in sex in he appropraite places, but hey, have your orgy in your back yard and then no one cares, but to do it at the Louvre for example while people are busy watching the art and I'll tell you to fuck off and probably call the cops.
This private lawn question of yours is very specific and is not what I'm driving at and you know that. I am specifically against the license to fuck Everywhere and anywhere.
Now if you specifically want to engage in such activity to rattle people's cages this is the type of reaction you will.
@ Moki...unlike you I do not claim to have an all encompassing general knowledge and hence do ask to be directed to contradictory facts.
Screw your insolence, atleast when you send me links that contradict me, I accept them and do not bitch and moan about how I still know more about you.
You're right, Tahitians did indulge in public sex, and did walk around naked, and had children as a consequence of their sexual activity.
Does FFF foster children out of their sexual activity?? or do they use modern age birth control but then bitch about how sex is unnatural these days?
Whatever the Tahitians may have done, it was an isolated society that lived in harmony with it's surroundings. The Amazonians probably do the same as do most tribes living in secluded places. Oh and they also indulged in human sacrifice and as Mundi said, genital mutilation.
Urban societies are not the same and hence fucking all over the place would cause more negatives than positives. I mean if FFF moves to Costa Rica and fucks all over the forest there it's great. DO it in a natural surrounding..but to live in the unnatural world, and then bitch about how unnatural everything is..i don't know, I personally find it a cop out. Practice your sexual exhibitionism where it's accepted.
Anarchists still argue that anarchy does not imply nihilism, anomie, or the total absence of rules, but rather an anti-statist society that is based on the spontaneous order of free individuals in autonomous communities. So to strip at an anarchist congress is not necessarily appropriate and thus they were asked to leave simple.
Now if they went to a nudists conference and were asked to leave I would understand your chagrin.
But to land up places and just expect people to be sympathetic to your cause (which is actually quite bullshit in the first place as no one represses your nudity but just asks you to do it in specific places) is almost vain.
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Posted : Oct 22, 2009 20:36
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Wow this here went a little far but here is my simple 'first-impression' two cents:
please do have sex in private places and not in the dance floor let alone on the stage of a trance festival because the majority of us (with healthy sexuality in private) just thinks its gross and yes its Dirty As Hell. If I want to go to a Trance festival the last thing I want to see is some naked dudes' real-time action in the dirt. Its dancing and smiling faces I seek and psychedelic experiences not bad trips thank you.
Never enjoyed sex clubs neither maybe that is why.
Plus: I also fail to understand the major impact of FFF on saving the forests while sex is a very detailed point in the interview so yeah it seems that its rather all about sex (porn) and exhibitionism anyways. |
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mk47
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Posted : Oct 22, 2009 20:48
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I want to see a gangbang every party at sunrise on a hard hit of lsd , i also want to masturbate in a crowded bus .
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mk47
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Posted : Oct 22, 2009 20:52
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and if i have a daughter , ill fuck her just as she hits puberty 
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blom
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Posted : Oct 22, 2009 21:01
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On 2009-10-22 20:48, mk47 wrote:
I want to see a gangbang every party at sunrise on a hard hit of lsd , i also want to masturbate in a crowded bus .
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Well yeah each to his own. Maybe we should have Gangbang Trance parties and NonGangBang Trance parties in the future so people can choose  |
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mk47
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Posted : Oct 22, 2009 21:05
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On 2009-10-22 21:01, blom wrote:
Well yeah each to his own. Maybe we should have Gangbang Trance parties and NonGangBang Trance parties in the future so people can choose
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or maybe we can just stick to what has worked good forever and have sex in private and leave the dancefloor and the crowded bus alone
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Axis Mundi
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Posted : Oct 22, 2009 21:14
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What's funny, Moki, is that you're quick to pull the "sexist" card (without even really using the word correctly, all the time, either) and say "the men" this and "the men" that and "there's always a man keeping me down just because I'm a woman", yet in a "sexually free" society you would totally be in a submissive role, and according to the links and references you quote, your vaginal hood would already be lopped off and you'd be fellating the village in the square from pre-pubescence. You'd be treated like a piece of property like a cattle, bought and sold, with the main difference being that you'd have to bend over on demand. And the minute you tried to complain about it, you'd be punched straight in the mouth or worse.
Or maybe you prefer one of those female-dominated amazon type societies where one of your breasts would be lopped off as soon as it started growing so you could learn how to shoot a bow better.
And as Fria said, regarding FFF and clean/safe/natural sex, either they are using non-natural protection such as birth control and contraceptives (doubt it, personally) or they're a cesspool of STDs collected from all over the world. So yeah, dirty.
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mk47
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Posted : Oct 22, 2009 21:18
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^ that`d get her chakras in a tizzy
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Loopfreaks/Electrofreaks
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Posted : Oct 22, 2009 21:18
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May I express what 99% are thinking here.
Spare us from horny hippies having sex on the dancefloors. Go and rent a room!
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Posted : Oct 22, 2009 21:33
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Or maybe you prefer one of those female-dominated amazon type societies where one of your breasts would be lopped off as soon as it started growing so you could learn how to shoot a bow better.
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Penthesilea rules
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