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KundaliniRising
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Posted : Oct 22, 2009 07:37
Which ADSR settings do they use ?
Do they use a single pole eq ?
Do they Pitch Shift?
Do they time-stretch ?
Do they use side-chaining ?
Aluxe
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Posted : Oct 22, 2009 07:52
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I am still waiting for facts on ancient cultures that indulged in public sex as the norm.
ok first of all nobody is saying that sex in public has to become the norm, all I am arguing for is for the rights of those who do want to practice sex in public. So perhaps in many ancient societies sex in public was not the norm but it DOESN'T mean it was prohibited either which is what you seem to want. Do you follow?
And there are many societies that show CLEAR signs that they were much more liberal and open about sex than western cultures like Christianity who to this day very much dominate the world and have determined how society views sex. I gave you the example of the andean cultures such as the moche who made hundreds of ceramic vessels depicting sex in all kind of ways: copulating, oral, anal, etc They show smiling faces with funny grins and super enlarged genitals while they have sex in all kinds of postitions.
Here are a few examples:
And this type of sexual art would never be tolerated by the judeo christian religions which are the ones who have influenced our modern perceptions on sex (puritanical and sin oriented). I mean we can't even walk nude without causing an issue in most parts of the world TODAY.
But anyways, I also told you about the Mayas and their phallic symbols represented on the walls of Uxmal and about the Huastecs who were known to be naked all the time and whom completely shocked the spaniards for their sexual freedoms. I could provide you some link to where to find more info but they are in spanish.
But like I said, who cares about what these cultures did in the past. Even if I can prove to you that the Andean cultures performed ritual sex in public on top of a pyramid mound there would still be dark aspects about their culture that you could use to discredit their judgment such as the fact that they also sacrificed people. so the Moche are not to trust, they were barbarians you can say. (hehe typica comment, as if all other cultures in the world were utopias and free from atrocities)
But REGARDLESS!!! I want to base my beliefs because of what I believe with my own head today, not just because it was practiced by ancient cultures. I want to be aware in the present, and adopt beliefs because they make sense to me now and not just blindly adopt traditions from the past that may have origins that I ignore. I want to be alive in the moment, with my head and consciousness turned on because so many things from the past could be wrong and enslaving me to this day. So we have to take a fresh look at things without all the prejudice from traditions. And I know there is much wisdom in the ancient past but its also good to get a truly new and fresh perspective on things.
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Posted : Oct 22, 2009 10:23
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On 2009-10-21 18:52, disco hooligans wrote:
Anybody who fucks in the middle of the dancefloor should get a kick in the cunt/bollocks. Get a tent/room/bush and do your thing for fucks sake!
Fucking LOL
I agree!
Axis Mundi
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Posted : Oct 22, 2009 10:44
Aluxe, that is a very interesting statue.
I would like to counter your comparison on mesoamerican society with our society with a blown glass dildo that can be ordered from http://www.amazon.com.
Adigroovy
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Posted : Oct 22, 2009 11:24
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On 2009-10-22 04:03, Fria Tantrumm wrote:
I am still waiting for facts on ancient cultures that indulged in public sex as the norm. None has been forthcoming so I take it that this was not "natural" behaviour and hence the whole argument falls apart.
so u see there was sex practiced in ancient cultures and not only for physical purposes and not only in private (also in fields, tampels etc)
i think the main point is what disturbs you and you think is not decent, doesn't apply to me or to other. if they see fucking in public as ok and other people don't have problem with it, why should you or anyone else with different meaning impose your right above the others?? live and let live
to use your head you have to go out of your mind
moki
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Posted : Oct 22, 2009 11:32
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On 2009-10-22 01:56, Fria Tantrumm wrote:
@MOki...
whether it be an initial stage or a final stage, or prior to conjuction or post, in Tantra and Yoga..DISCRIMINATION, especially if it is an initial stage, is thus required to attain a higher state. There is no such thing as "stages before True Tantra"...that's just ridiculous. It's all part of the discipline of tantra and yoga. I don't care if you do not want to believe it. It is fact. Google Chinnamasta and discrimination. She is the form of Kali that represents HIgher perception and discrimination...and Chinnamasta is a tantrik Goddess, why do you deign to argue on such matters Moki. It is very tiresome.
Discrimination does not need to be a negative, it definitely has positive aspects.
why i refuse?
because it is simply inaccurate.
and what i do with you as exactly based on chinnamastra.
earlier in this discussion you wrote that you never said you were into tantra and you never said you were open minded. hope i dont need to quote now, but these were your words.
why do you feel then like you are the one to give fixed statements of what is tantra then? do you practise it, are you initiated into tantra?
you said also that osho is no an authority and gave me a link to yoga and some sutras about discrimination. i searched your link source and found a better article for you that i posted to you:
http://www.swamij.com/yoga-vedanta-tantra.htm
these are three different streams. you cant do any statements that tantra is about discrimination, because then you are talking about the first stream in the picture. tantra is the third and includes all other stages together, because tantra unites everything that exists. a true tantriker is someone who has gone to hell, seen all negativity of this world and then united this picture into one. sex helps but is nt a basic method in tantra. tantra unites the whole unconscious mind, the conscious mind and the the deep sleep together and does not discriminate neither of them as untrue. the meaning of true tantra might seem ridiculous to you and you ve shown many times that you are far away from it, but it is simply there and it means to unite everything that exists. take your sins and experience them all - then you are more near to tantra than before that.
why is this important? because it is essential that a true tantriker would never say no to fuck for forest. it is just part of the creation and it exists the way it is.
as far
TranceVisuals
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Posted : Oct 22, 2009 11:47
Hey Moki, I am practicioneer of tantra (as much as anyone can be of these things, as the subject-predicate language doesn't aptly allow for adequate communication of the experience) and have been for over twelve years, been "officially" initiated amongst various other sects/tradition/schools (shaviatism, dzogchen, a couple of zen sects, hinayana, mahayana, secret doctrine blah blah blah) etc....
And no matter how hard you blow...
it's just hot air at best.
P.s. Don't you think it is a little arrogant for you to presume what EVERY tantric practicioneer would or wouldn't do. As that so clearly shows that you have seemingly missed the obvious. www.youtube.com/trancevisuals
2,000,000+ views and counting.
Xolvexs
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Posted : Oct 22, 2009 11:49
whats 12 tears? and how can do that
When death comes to your doorstep, make sure you are alive
TranceVisuals
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moki
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Posted : Oct 22, 2009 12:17
@Adigroovy,
nice pics, thanks for posting the slide.
and still, i read a few statements from the last day of the debate about respecting the rules of the place where you are.
it is the other essential point that i find still uncovered and unclear in this discussion.
if i open wikipedia on PUBLIC NUDITY, this is what i see inside:
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It is generally accepted as a basic principle by most judges in western countries that a naked human body is not in itself indecent
please remember that FFF were thrown out because they were naked and not because they were fucking in the middle of the event ( the anarchist congress).
i believe that nudity is very natural and it is discriminating towards FFF to not give tem a chance for their public activism. our modern societies have quite strictly criminalized the natural ( entheogens, sex etc, see timothy leary and " criminalizing the natural) and i dont think it is right to do so. i think it belongs to our goals as a community to fight against this criminalization of the natural instead of supporting " the rules of the place where you are".
and besides, what are the rules of the society in berlin. just see fuck parade, love parade, were they more decent?????????????
another thing.i was in a sauna three days ago. i know it is not like that in lots of countries but in germany you have sauna where both males and females walk naked. it is forbidden to be dressed with a bathing costume. i myself find it quite difficult to be naked in a small room with ppl i dont know, both males and females. males even kind of disturb my view like that. and the first time i went to a sauna lots of years ago, i said to myself, FUCK i dont wanna wlak naked here, so i dressed myself in a bathing costume. then a quard came and told me this is completely indecent and it is non-solidarity, because everyone here is naked only me not.
so i started to go naked there as well. three days ago i was thinking about this discussion while walking naked in this sauna. i was wondering, okey, how many of those males actually think of sex while females are walking naked in the sauna.
i just find everything too contradictory. i agree that t is unpleasant for many ppl to see fucking dudes i the middle of the dancefloor, to me it is not so nice either....but we are talking about another issue. we are talking about being thrown at an archist congress because if being naked. we are talking about decency that does not exist since years at trance festivals. so generally we just chose a black sheep to point to, whereas the festivals themselves arefull of this sort of undecency and even far more uglier than this.
i would love t understand to other side as well, and i said i will meet the organizer of the congress this week and ask him a few things. then i will know more.
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Posted : Oct 22, 2009 12:29
are we progressing toward a free society where public masturbation is the norm ? could it be ? wouldn't that be awesome .. no more repressed mind controlled masses
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