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On 2009-10-20 22:44, Fria Tantrumm wrote:
The ancient greeks did not engage in sex out in the market place. Neither did the Romans.

On 2009-10-21 01:25, Fria Tantrumm wrote:
@ Moki...
While I do believe that Nudity is accepted, I still do not have any information on public sex. If you say tribes indulged in this kindly send me some links that state it as a fact.
Check the links I sent you on Tantra, Yoga and the concepts of discrimination...it's not what I'm saying, it's a FACT...stated in the Yogasutras and such.
I Never said I didn't claim it's RIDICULOUS to save the forest with sex. I AM STILL SAYING that it is ridiculous to save the forest with this type of sex. It's what I have been saying all along.
Little Miss Moki was me trying to be endearing, not insulting..I was humming Little Miss Muffet sat on her Tuffet and was thinking about you at the same time so it just came out like that.

A lot has been written since women's liberation about the performance anxiety men feel in our modern times. Performing sex in front of other people was not the stressful thing in ancient days as it is now. Sex was often done in religious ceremonies in groups--Orgies.
Nowadays the word orgy connotes something depraved and degenerate. That was not the original meaning for the word. The word "orgy" comes from the Greek word "orgia" meaning "secret worship". Since most secret worship involved sexual rituals, and Christians were opposed to anything sexual the word orgy came to have the debased meaning it has today, rather than the noble, spiritual meaning of the original word.
Many words that are used to describe extreme religious fervor are also used to describe great sex, such as passion, bliss, and ecstasy. There were many orgies throughout the year as celebrations in the religion of the Goddess. Many of these celebrations have been taken over by the Christians who removed their sexual nature. The best known is undoubtedly Christmas taken from the pagan festival of Saturnalia.
Saturn, from whom we get the word for the day of the week, Saturday, was the Roman name for the Greek God, Cronus and the Babylonian God, Ninip. Sometimes called the Lord of Death, he was represented by the sun at its lowest aspect at the winter solstice. That's when the earth is cold, and most plants are dead, and it was believed that the sun was approaching death. Today that's around December 21, but because of calendar changes, it was originally December 25th. Saturnalia celebrated the sun overcoming the power of winter, with hope of spring when life would be renewed. In Roman times, Bacchus, the god of wine, became the lord of these festivals. During the Bacchanalian festivals the everyday rules were turned topsy turvy. The masters waited on the servants. All sexual prohibitions were lifted. It was a time of true good will towards all men. Even dresses were exchanged with men dressing as women. Erotic dances were performed with a large erect phallus being carried around in the dancing processionals.

All of these ancient rituals, these orgia, involved group sex and nudity. The hang ups and inhibitions that most people have about having sex in groups or in front of other people are largely the result of Biblical attitudes. Sex, was something to be done only in private behind locked doors, and only for procreation. Those restrictive ideas come to us from the Bible, in which nudity is condemned as soon as Adam and Eve ate the apple (or technically, the Fruit of Knowledge of Good and Evil).
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Nudity is frowned on by the Judaeo-Christian god, but Greek Gods are usually depicted as nude in magnificently detailed statues. The god of the Bible is always portrayed with plenty of flowing robes on. What does he have to be ashamed of? Did they cut too much off when he was circumcised?
In pagan religion rituals, men and women had sex with their friends and neighbors. The Bible forbids such activities in no uncertain terms, Leviticus 20:10,

On 2009-10-21 13:12, exotic wrote:

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On 2009-10-21 10:38, Run Lola wrote: this is too long to read.. can someone please just summarize in a few lines what's the debate is about? why did it become such a contraversy? I checked the FFF and I honestly don't understand what everyone shouting about!! a group of people using porn to get attention to support a cause, or that's what they say... so what is the big deal? is it the porn? the nudity?

The entire debate is mostly about how tolerant/perverted/sexy/open/progressive vs intolerant/innocent/plain/close minded/repressive people are. the rest of the issue centers around whether FFF people are actually cheats/exhibitionists fulfilling those nympho fantasies in public in the garb of people who seem to be worried about saving the environment which is something that no one really has any real control over i.e nature follows its own course.

choose your side and jump in.

On 2009-10-21 14:32, Run Lola wrote:

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On 2009-10-21 13:12, exotic wrote: Quote: On 2009-10-21 10:38, Run Lola wrote: this is too long to read.. can someone please just summarize in a few lines what's the debate is about? why did it become such a contraversy? I checked the FFF and I honestly don't understand what everyone shouting about!! a group of people using porn to get attention to support a cause, or that's what they say... so what is the big deal? is it the porn? the nudity? The entire debate is mostly about how tolerant/perverted/sexy/open/progressive vs intolerant/innocent/plain/close minded/repressive people are. the rest of the issue centers around whether FFF people are actually cheats/exhibitionists fulfilling those nympho fantasies in public in the garb of people who seem to be worried about saving the environment which is something that no one really has any real control over i.e nature follows its own course. choose your side and jump in.

so people here would snif a line of coke in public but are offended by someone having sex in public?

On 2009-10-20 18:37, Fria Tantrumm wrote:
Kindly speak for yourself Moki and stop making this a tantrik story again.
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..Osho is not an authority on anything.
Infact Tantra and yoga are all about DISCRIMINATING...reality from unreality, truth from falicy..etc etc. If you really are intrerested check out these links:
http://www.swamij.com/yoga-sutras-22629.htm

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Check the links I sent you on Tantra, Yoga and the concepts of discrimination...it's not what I'm saying, it's a FACT...stated in the Yogasutras and such.

In the tradition of the Himalayan masters, Yoga, Vedanta, and Tantra complement one another, leading one systematically along the path to Self-realization. The aspirant clears the mind through the practice of Yoga meditation as codified in the Yoga Sutras of Patanjali, does self-enquiry of Vedanta, and then breaks through the final barrier with Tantra, experiencing the heights of kundalini awakening.

On 2009-10-21 14:56, mk47 wrote:
om mamah chihuahua

On 2009-10-21 14:51, Moki.Time.Wave.Zero wrote:
this statement of yours that tantra is about discrimination is completely wrong. you are talkin about patanjali.patanjali is not the last frontier, tantra does the rest.

so people here would snif a line of coke in public but are offended by someone having sex in public?

Yoga Sutras 2.26-2.29:
The 8 rungs of Yoga
are for Discrimination

1. Yama: codes of restraint, abstinences (2.30, 2.31)
2. Niyama: observances, self-training (2.32)
3. Asana: meditation posture (2.46-2.48)
4. Pranayama: expansion of breath and prana (2.49-2.53)
5. Pratyahara: withdrawal of the senses (2.54-2.55)
6. Dharana: concentration (3.1)
7. Dhyana: meditation (3.2)
8. Samadhi: deep absorption (3.3)

The 8 rungs are for discriminative enlightenment: The reason for practicing the eight rungs of Yoga (2.29) is to develop attention as the tool for discriminative knowledge, which is the means to discriminative enlightenment and liberation. It means using razor-like attention (3.4-3.6) to separate the seer and the seen (2.17), so as to break the alliance of karma (2.12-2.25), and to get past the four mistakes of ignorance, or avidya (2.24-2.25), which are: 1) confusing the temporary for the eternal, 2) the impure for the pure, 3) misery for happiness, and 4) the false self for the true Self (2.5). Resulting from this systematic discrimination, the seer or Self is eventually experienced in its true nature (1.3).

Discerning three aspects of an object: To understand the principle of discernment presented in these current sutras it is critically important to recall and understand the three aspects of an object described in Sutra 1.42, which have to do with the name of the object, the specific object, and the underlying essence.

Discrimination allows subtler introspection: This one-pointed attention and discrimination, which comes from the practice of the eight rungs, is used for examining, exploring, and attenuating the colorings of the subtle impressions of the mind field (2.10), so as to go beyond, inward to the pure, eternal center of consciousness.

Yoga Sutra of Patanjali (the guy who came up with the concept of YOga millions of years ago)

http://books.google.com/books?id=b4Ci3zP2_CIC&pg=PA203&lpg=PA203&dq=tantra+and+mind+discrimination&source=bl&ots=NkoIK55uKx&sig=mdjcQLBxmaadJlS6XBFRXRPT3YY&hl=en&ei=lendSqimG86n8AbI8Mxv&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CAwQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=&f=false
The above is the link to the tantrik text and the concept of discrimination and inquiry as a meditational method to develop TEJAS.

On 2009-10-21 09:34, Login wrote:
Ok fria so Public sex is less safe that sex in private spaces, how do you prove it????????

I mean if you control all other variables involved...the only risk is getting flu

Of course by reading what you have been arguing around here is clear you dont have a clue of what means:
1.- tolerance,
2.- secularization
3.- scientific method

After reading these topic is clear that public education is not enough, now i will start my new project: Fuck Against Ignorance.

@Aluxe: communal property(ejido) can be converted in private property since Salinas reform in the nineties. Right now here in mexico some private fundations are buying forest for conservation, for example Bimbo's "Reforestemos mexico". There is also a project in the goverment to pay for "enviromental services" provided by forests in perfect conditions. You can find more info on INE (Instituto Nacional de Ecología) website.