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Axis Mundi
Axis Mundi
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Posted : Oct 21, 2009 01:19
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Yeah, and the Greeks also fucked little boys.
Some of the oldest bush tribes in Africa believe that knowledge is passed on from father to son in semen inserted into the anus. A lot of them still practice genital mutilation on their little girls. And today, entire villages are getting raped by the descendants of these most ancient tribes. The men doing the raping feel that the sex is best when the vagina is dry.
So what's your point about that exactly?
Back to topic, is anyone going to seriously discuss the issue again? For example, everyone conveniently avoided answering my questions earlier.
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On 2009-10-20 20:22, Axis Mundi wrote:
That's an interesting point. What about the locals? If you're in Berlin and you own a piece of land in Costa Rica, how on Earth do you actually preserve it? Do you kick all the locals out? Even if you manage to do it, how right is that? To kick out people who have lived there for years or even generations? Do you let them stay? What if they start poaching? Killing off the wildlife? Cutting down trees? Do you tell them, no they can't do that? Just how do you expect to impose/enforce rules on them? What if they have no other choice because they have no other way to make a living? What happens if the problem gets bigger because more people are moving there for whatever reason? I'm sure the natives have a much different idea of "ownership" than FFF does. What if there's a forest fire? What if an outside entity goes ahead and resources the land anyway? What are you going to do? They've already done the damage, who knows where they've run off to, and international courts cost money. The more I think about that whole thing, the more I think that just "buying the land" isn't much of a real solution.
I don't suppose any people unilaterally supporting this idea without questioning it first have any real answers for these questions. I'm hoping I'll be surprised, though.
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On 2009-10-20 20:41, Axis Mundi wrote:
And one more thing, to all the people unquestioningly supporting this whole idea, why do you persist in all of these ad hominem personal character attacks on people like Fria and I instead of addressing the actual points/questions we are raising about the whole issue???
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Fria Tantrumm
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Posted : Oct 21, 2009 01:25
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@ Moki...
While I do believe that Nudity is accepted, I still do not have any information on public sex. If you say tribes indulged in this kindly send me some links that state it as a fact.
Check the links I sent you on Tantra, Yoga and the concepts of discrimination...it's not what I'm saying, it's a FACT...stated in the Yogasutras and such.
I Never said I didn't claim it's RIDICULOUS to save the forest with sex. I AM STILL SAYING that it is ridiculous to save the forest with this type of sex. It's what I have been saying all along.
Little Miss Moki was me trying to be endearing, not insulting..I was humming Little Miss Muffet sat on her Tuffet and was thinking about you at the same time so it just came out like that. **************************************
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ZenMind
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Posted : Oct 21, 2009 02:18
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Boys and girls my eye balls are burning from such a display of high culture coming from lots of you, indeed a wonderful and brilliant community.
25 pages with gigantic posts about sex...a looot of it, weee, John Holmes hippie version is right, sex does attract lots of attention, fucking genius that guy is... no, no, he is more than a genius he is the new icon for freedom and ecology, crazy crazy world... 
So moki invite your FFF friends to take part in this discussion, i think it would make sense that they answer for them selves and enlighten us a bit more about what they are all about.
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Aluxe
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Posted : Oct 21, 2009 02:42
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On 2009-10-20 20:22, Axis Mundi wrote:
That's an interesting point. What about the locals? If you're in Berlin and you own a piece of land in Costa Rica, how on Earth do you actually preserve it?
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Well it depends on where you buy it, from who you buy it and how you buy it.
I am sure its different everywhere. For example in Mexico some areas of land are owned by local communities and you can not buy the land from them however you can rent the land for 99 years and then just renew the contract. Things like that. It all depends on where you are at and there is usually a way to do it if you work with the communities and get informed of how things work in the region.
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Do you kick all the locals out? Even if you manage to do it, how right is that?
Well then the locals should not sell it. Another way to do it would be to pay local families to take care of your land. I mean who the fuck knows man, there isn’t one general answer
To kick out people who have lived there for years or even generations? Do you let them stay? What if they start poaching? Killing off the wildlife? Cutting down trees? Do you tell them, no they can't do that? Just how do you expect to impose/enforce rules on them?
What if they have no other choice because they have no other way to make a living?
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All this has to be established since the beginning and it depends on the region and country you are in because the laws change. And one possible way to do this is to unite with other environmental organizations in the country or ask them for advice on this since they have gone through this process many times. They will usually know the loops and obstacles you have to go through.
And if you are in very remote areas I think the only way you can make it all work is if you get involved with the communities there so they benefit in some form or another.
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melloed
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Posted : Oct 21, 2009 05:53
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On 2009-10-21 01:19, Axis Mundi wrote:
Yeah, and the Greeks also fucked little boys.
So what's your point about that exactly?
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i agree that people have a right to do mostly whatever they wish, especially sexually, as long as the involved dont have a problem....
but comparisons to traditions, cultures and ages gone by does not work. This is the 21st century, tribes walked about naked for a reason,they also lived the same way, mostly due to lack of exposure and knowledge.
Besides, europe was way behind in its sexual evolution, India had the kamasutra before that.
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25 pages with gigantic posts about sex...a looot of it, weee, John Holmes hippie version is right, sex does attract lots of attention, fucking genius that guy is... no, no, he is more than a genius he is the new icon for freedom and ecology, crazy crazy world...
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and its a fact that the two most selling words are SEX and FREE.. put them together and you got a winner 
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TranceVisuals
TranceVisuals
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Posted : Oct 21, 2009 07:48
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On 2009-10-21 01:12, Moki.Time.Wave.Zero wrote:
- then you need a further educational course in entheogenic societies and ancient tribes.
they almost all walked naked ( at least the tribes,
where it was warm enough to do this),
and they never shamed because of doing sex in public.
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Hey Moki, either you provide evidence/links/data to support this theory or I will KNOW you are mistaking your thoughts, and fantasies for reality!!!
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Posted : Oct 21, 2009 09:34
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Ok fria so Public sex is less safe that sex in private spaces, how do you prove it????????
I mean if you control all other variables involved...the only risk is getting flu
Of course by reading what you have been arguing around here is clear you dont have a clue of what means:
1.- tolerance,
2.- secularization
3.- scientific method
After reading these topic is clear that public education is not enough, now i will start my new project: Fuck Against Ignorance.
@Aluxe: communal property(ejido) can be converted in private property since Salinas reform in the nineties. Right now here in mexico some private fundations are buying forest for conservation, for example Bimbo's "Reforestemos mexico". There is also a project in the goverment to pay for "enviromental services" provided by forests in perfect conditions. You can find more info on INE (Instituto Nacional de Ecología) website.
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Dogon
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Posted : Oct 21, 2009 09:43
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TimeTraveller
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Posted : Oct 21, 2009 09:46
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On 2009-10-21 02:18, ZenMind wrote:
So moki invite your FFF friends to take part in this discussion, i think it would make sense that they answer for them selves and enlighten us a bit more about what they are all about.
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that could be without any assurance - a bit interesting.They could prove their philosophy.I would even read ,if the texts are not thaat long and thaat boring like most of this pages here.
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Aluxe
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Posted : Oct 21, 2009 09:48
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Fria sorry for stamping on your character! Peace and love woman!!! Anyways, I understand your perspective and I belive you when you say that you would be respectful to the FFF as people.
And as far as nudity I would be very happy if it was accepted all over the world because I have been in naturist/nudist environments and it’s amazing how quickly people loose their inhibitions once they realize everybody is on the same page and not judging. I personally think a lot of it has to do with everybody been on the same page, then its easier to accept it and not feel judged or self counscious about it. And I totally understand the arguments for sex being a private thing I mean I personally do prefer that, with less distractions and you can control the atmosphere maybe more. What I oppose is forcing everyone to think like me, because what do I know how somebody feels about it? maybe there are people out there who would love the idea of going out to the park finding a shady quiet spot and under their picnic mat start making love on a beautiful day without getting worried that somebody will see them and report them to the authorities. But IMO we live in an atmosphere of repression and people who would like to do that can not because they will be taken to jail like as if they were doing something horrible. And I really do not want to support that in any way, I want people to be able to choose how they live just as long as they do not harm others.
I also believe that if we can be more open and free about sex we can all become more informed and educated on how to do it right, because everybody would be more at ease to talk about it without all the stigma and shame that we have today due to sexual repression. I belive that repression pushes sex down under into the gutter and pollutes it with unhealthy negative associations that in the end are reflected in the way people get turned on. To me it’s unhealthy and dysfunctional and in the end betrays all our efforts to keep sex in control because it gets bottled up and in the end comes out in an obsessive unhealthy way. That’s why I want to see an atmosphere of freedom where sex is not condemned as some evil or dirty thing that needs to be kept under the veil. And that way in such an atmosphere or freedom if sex in private still turns out to make more sense for most people it will be out of choice and freedom, and not because of a blind and forced repression that offers no choice.
And there are societies that were much more open sexually such as the Huastecs and the Totonacs of Mesoamerica. They were known for being sexually open were naked all the time and made many sculptures of erected penises and were very accepting of homosexuality as well. Maybe sex in private still made more sense to these societies but it doesn’t mean it was FORCED on people as the only choice, which is what I am arguing against. And there are pointers in many societies that maybe tell us that they were not so prude like our modern culture is today. Like for example, in the Maya ruins of Uxmal in Mexico there are erect penises coming out from the walls, and there is even the temple of the phalluses so I assume that they were not very concerned with sexual imagery in public view as they seem to be givining reverence. Interestingly on the other hand when the Queen of England visited the Uxmal ruins all the phallic sculptures were removed so she would not be offended. Hehe.. pretty lame.
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Dogon
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Posted : Oct 21, 2009 10:19
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Run Lola
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Posted : Oct 21, 2009 10:38
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this is too long to read.. can someone please just summarize in a few lines what's the debate is about? why did it become such a contraversy? I checked the FFF and I honestly don't understand what everyone shouting about!!
a group of people using porn to get attention to support a cause, or that's what they say... so what is the big deal?
is it the porn? the nudity?
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Dogon
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Posted : Oct 21, 2009 10:52
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On 2009-10-21 10:38, Run Lola wrote:
so what is the big deal?
is it the porn? the nudity?
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no, neither porn nor nudity!
The deal is whose dick is longer!
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Xolvexs
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Posted : Oct 21, 2009 11:52
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no its all about tits and pussy
thats what makes people buy porn
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Posted : Oct 21, 2009 13:12
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On 2009-10-21 10:38, Run Lola wrote:
this is too long to read.. can someone please just summarize in a few lines what's the debate is about? why did it become such a contraversy? I checked the FFF and I honestly don't understand what everyone shouting about!!
a group of people using porn to get attention to support a cause, or that's what they say... so what is the big deal?
is it the porn? the nudity?
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The entire debate is mostly about how tolerant/perverted/sexy/open/progressive vs intolerant/innocent/plain/close minded/repressive people are. the rest of the issue centers around whether FFF people are actually cheats/exhibitionists fulfilling those nympho fantasies in public in the garb of people who seem to be worried about saving the environment which is something that no one really has any real control over i.e nature follows its own course.
choose your side and jump in.
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