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Dogon
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Posted : Oct 20, 2009 17:57
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On 2009-10-20 09:16, mk47 wrote:
Aluxe , pls answer , i asked earlier too ,, would u be ok if your little sister or mother decided to join fff ? what about you , would you and your wife / girlfriend join these guys ? 
edit : actually , question goes out to all fff supporters , be honest now .
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Aluxe
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Posted : Oct 20, 2009 18:17
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On 2009-10-20 09:16, mk47 wrote:
Aluxe , pls answer , i asked earlier too ,, would u be ok if your little sister or mother decided to join fff ? what about you , would you and your wife / girlfriend join these guys ?
edit : actually , question goes out to all fff supporters , be honest now .
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hey mk47 I did answer the question some pages back, I think you missed it. And the FFF thing is not be something I would like to do myself but I will defend their right to do it. |
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moki
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Posted : Oct 20, 2009 18:20
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On 2009-10-20 16:11, Fria Tantrumm wrote:
@ Aluxe..you are exceedingly moving away from the topic at hand and instead focusing on what might be compelling my views. Thus you insist now to call me bigot, a religious fanatic, ultra conservative right wing etc etc etc. Whereas all along I have not bulldozed your personality but stayed on topic, which is MY VIEWS about FFF. I have refrained from calling you ANYTHING for that matter.
Kindly have an educated discussion or else go Fuck OFF...in public or private.
Where my views might stem from is almost secondary but you keep going back to that. Strange...
If you have nothing worthwile to say..shut up..if you wish to abuse me, send me a PM.
Back to the topic....
Little Miss Moki...on your 10 min edited interview....20 seconds of discussion is dedicated to the Forest, the next 9 minutes 40 seconds is a rant and rave about their ideas on Sexuality...so what message exactly should I be getting?
Cause it sounds more like a cause for open sexual exhibitionism than it does for Saving the forest. They talk of how people are put off by two people fucking in public but express no qualms about the number of cars on the road. So maybe they should set an example..don't use cars, don't fly, indulge in good old fashion modes of transport and then I'm all for them.
Taking a plane to Brazil to Fuck on the stage of Universo Paralello...their 50 euros they must have collected is not enough to even offset the carbon emissions their plane trip caused. Getting up on a stage at a trance festival, asking for volunteers to come up and fuck the girls openly for 10 Euros..YOU THINK THIS IS SAFE SEX???
Do you think the guys who donated the 10 euros to have some cheap pussy give a shit about the forest?? Did they get any message across other than a cheap lay??
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hey fria. just an advice. never forget the principle of resonance.
if you are filled with anger and hatred, it is quite likely that this is exactly what you will see in others too. aluxe is having quite an objective conversation with objective statements as well. no one is trying to offend you, it is just a reaction of your statements many times that you called people ignorant or close minded. is this an objective argument for you? like the little miss moki:? i mean seriously, i dont take your statements seriously if you begin with little miss moki, my dear, and i havent called you even once ignorant here, because i just dont resonate on that level and it is totally uninteresting to me to even react on your statements. but if you expect an educated conversation - then at least be open to hear arguments and opinions of others without immediately putting them off for being ignorant and close minded.
whatever. the conversation is taking some boring direction again and i truely believe it is time to change the topic a bit.
in isratrance even the topic about goa gil and his backgorund as a sadhu was suggested to be put away so i am not even slightly surprised that the same happens to fff as well. but anyway i respect all opinions given here - pro and contra and i need to say that in comparison to the goa gil discussion we had at least only opinions and no "i know everything better and your facts are wrong just because i say so" attitude.
btw we now know that tantrum doesnt come from tantra, but from " throwing a tantrum" ( having childish behaviour) which is what kali is supposed to have in front of shiva. fine, we are now at least better informed, i believed earlier that tantrum comes from tantra, about which you dont make the impression to be very educated.
btw why did you no answer the question about tantra and sex that was put by axis mundi? i was waiting to hear what you will say.
and as the link i gave you from osho says:
a tantric mind accepts everything without judging. tantra is a yes-sayer. say yes to your sins and accept them. dont project them on others instead, cause they are only yours.
there is a great book by christian rätsch about tantra, i love it. it is truely awakening. everyone interested in tantra should have a look at it.
as far as fff is concerned, they said they are not interested in tantra. because it is too much discipline. and they never shouted - hey we are tantric educated persons. they just shout fuck for forest, so they are at least true in their philosophy.
and you are the one to pretend for superior knowledge in hinduism and tantrism so logically you are the one to accept the world as it is without judging. unfortunately i really see everywhere where you talk that you are filled with judgements and fixed ideas of what is right and what is wrong.
no one here tries to offend you. it is just a reaction of your contradictions. and anyway this here should not be the measure point for you - it is just a forum. but i tell you that as a friend to a friend. you judge a bit too much.
i personally dont really say, hey, this is the one and only way to save a forest and be active. i just say, hey here are some guys who do this and that, just pay attention to them, because without knowledge of what they do, your view of reality would be incomplete.
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Fria Tantrumm
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Posted : Oct 20, 2009 18:37
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Kindly speak for yourself Moki and stop making this a tantrik story again. I never said anything about Tantra or FFF's association with it, let's not go in that direction. If you feel I am not very well educated on the Tantra subject so be it. I am not here to extol about my knowledge on various disciplines I am here to talk about my views and reactions on FFF and their concept of sexuality as a means of saving the forest.
Don't try to appease me, I know no one is trying to offend me, but I DO find Aluxe's statements more personal than necessary and you do not need to act like his/her mommy and try to explain his statements.
As I said..FFF jetting all over the globe in aeroplanes that spew forth alot of pollution, wearing leather, fucking anybody and everybody on a stage, and then preaching about the forest (again only 20 seconds of the forest talk and 9 minutes of sexual concepts) to me PERSONALLY seems like a load of rubbish.
Buying forest is not solving any problems. It does not solve poaching, cutting of trees, and it does not educate people on how to alter their actions in a more environmentally beneficial light. While they are busy fucking in Berlin, how can they control who walks into these forests they buy and who chops down the trees in these forests they buy.
I am not the one calling people close minded or ignorant..it is what I am being called for my views actually...don't be confused. In fact FFF could be just using this eco angle in order to raise money to buy property (the forest)... how the hell do we know it's really preventing the problem.
Osho indulged in alot of practices and most of his sermons are a means to justify his practices so once again..Osho is not an authority on anything.
Infact Tantra and yoga are all about DISCRIMINATING...reality from unreality, truth from falicy..etc etc. If you really are intrerested check out these links:
http://www.swamij.com/yoga-sutras-22629.htm
http://books.google.com/books?id=b4Ci3zP2_CIC&pg=PA203&lpg=PA203&dq=tantra+and+mind+discrimination&source=bl&ots=NkoIK55uKx&sig=mdjcQLBxmaadJlS6XBFRXRPT3YY&hl=en&ei=lendSqimG86n8AbI8Mxv&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CAwQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=&f=false
Little Miss Moki is way gentler than me calling you an intellectually compromised Bigot wannabe religious fundamentalist right wing conservative sexually repressed tantrika etc. I hope you see the difference.
If Aluxe would not himself/herself indulge in such practices then he sure as hell has no right to get so personal. The simple fact that Aluxe would not engage in an FF type of concept indicates that Aluxe too harbours some amount of inhibition....so why call me names because i'm candid about my inhibitions??
Defend their right to fuck all over the place..it's not really a right. Would you defend their right to take a dump on your bed?? or on your doorstep??
Having superior knowledge about Hinduism or Tantrism doesn't mean I necessarily practice or align myself with the required code of conduct. Having superior knowledge about medicine doesn't make one a practicing doctor. I think I have made it clear that I am opinionated, intolerant of certain things, not completely accepting and shanti shanti style of everything and anything under the sun 
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rich
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Posted : Oct 20, 2009 19:42
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This is true. In fact, if you buy land in Costa Rica do not actively live on that land, it can be occupied by locals and if enough time goes by, you may have a hard time kicking them out.
I've looked into buying land there (for a vacation residence) so have an idea about this.
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Axis Mundi
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Posted : Oct 20, 2009 20:22
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That's an interesting point. What about the locals? If you're in Berlin and you own a piece of land in Costa Rica, how on Earth do you actually preserve it? Do you kick all the locals out? Even if you manage to do it, how right is that? To kick out people who have lived there for years or even generations? Do you let them stay? What if they start poaching? Killing off the wildlife? Cutting down trees? Do you tell them, no they can't do that? Just how do you expect to impose/enforce rules on them? What if they have no other choice because they have no other way to make a living? What happens if the problem gets bigger because more people are moving there for whatever reason? I'm sure the natives have a much different idea of "ownership" than FFF does. What if there's a forest fire? What if an outside entity goes ahead and resources the land anyway? What are you going to do? They've already done the damage, who knows where they've run off to, and international courts cost money. The more I think about that whole thing, the more I think that just "buying the land" isn't much of a real solution.
I don't suppose any people unilaterally supporting this idea without questioning it first have any real answers for these questions. I'm hoping I'll be surprised, though. |
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Axis Mundi
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Posted : Oct 20, 2009 20:41
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And one more thing, to all the people unquestioningly supporting this whole idea, why do you persist in all of these ad hominem personal character attacks on people like Fria and I instead of addressing the actual points/questions we are raising about the whole issue???
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palex
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Posted : Oct 20, 2009 20:58
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this is getting better than psynina..
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TranceVisuals
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Posted : Oct 20, 2009 21:19
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I got into tantra because of the illusion of sex magic(k)....
Oh boy was I disillusioned and enlightened at the same time, as to what the actual tantric schools are "talking" about.
Reading tantric texts was definately a "third-eye opener", though it seemed most "people"* spoke of it in a "look at me aren't I wonderful" sort of way.
*popularist/commercial types
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melloed
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Posted : Oct 20, 2009 21:57
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very eyeball grabbing concept, fucking for a cause other than self gratification, love, lust or whichever spiritual, sensational angle this story has ....but with regards to buying land...theres a lot of forest around,so how much fucking has got to happen before the revolution catches on...and what happens with older supporters/activists of FFF....porn is good but there not to many freaks who would like to see geriatrics fuck...free porn/ecoporn whatever its called
@zen..i agree with what you're saying
haha maybe the next level for FFF is actually using the forest to fuck, if its not done already...twig dildo's, tree stump humps, insects in the ass..
and comparisons to Greenpeace, that's just plain stupid.. and greenpeace..i'm guessing the smarter bunch hippies started it up 
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Aluxe
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Posted : Oct 20, 2009 21:57
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Fria you were the one who started calling the FFF guys “dirty hippies” doing “depraved” and “disgusting” things when these people did NOTHING to you whatsover. That is pretty offensive and uncalled for and there is no other way to justify that lack of respect unless you want to come off as a bigot which can be quite an annoying attitude to have to deal with. And I think it’s only fair to point this out so you become at least a little bit aware of how you come off as. Because you can not expect respect from others if you do not show the same in return just like you can not claim a right for yourself and deny it to somebody else simply because you have a different vision of what is astheticly pleasing.
And you tell me that since I don’t indulge in such practices (FFF style) I have no right to get personal about it. But I have every right to defend their freedom to express their sexuality in an open way because I believe that freedom belongs to everyone, not just them. And to deny them of their right is to deny everyone other similar rights. That’s why the spirt of tolerance is necessary and to defend the rights of the oppressed should be in the interest of everybody.
Though I am sorry if I offended you, however please also be a little bit aware of how offensive you can be with your own words. Otherwise it becomes a really difficult situation. Because it’s a two way street and though you may not be attacking me personally I find what you say about others offensive none the less.
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Defend their right to fuck all over the place..it's not really a right. Would you defend their right to take a dump on your bed?? or on your doorstep??
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Fria I think you are getting confused here. They have absolutely no right to take a dump on MY bed because it’s my property, my space. And even if it were public space they would have to use a toilet because of the MESS they would create otherwise. Because of the sanitary implications which are more than obvious and which do not apply in the same way to public sex.
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Dennis the menace
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Posted : Oct 20, 2009 22:20
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On 2009-10-20 21:57, Aluxe wrote:
Fria you were the one who started calling the FFF guys “dirty hippies” doing “depraved” and “disgusting” things when these people did NOTHING to you whatsover. That is pretty offensive and uncalled for and there is no other way to justify that lack of respect unless you want to come off as a bigot which can be quite an annoying attitude to have to deal with. And I think it’s only fair to point this out so you become at least a little bit aware of how you come off as. Because you can not expect respect from others if you do not show the same in return just like you can not claim a right for yourself and deny it to somebody else simply because you have a different vision of what is astheticly pleasing.
And you tell me that since I don’t indulge in such practices (FFF style) I have no right to get personal about it. But I have every right to defend their freedom to express their sexuality in an open way because I believe that freedom belongs to everyone, not just them. And to deny them of their right is to deny everyone other similar rights. That’s why the spirt of tolerance is necessary and to defend the rights of the oppressed should be in the interest of everybody.
Though I am sorry if I offended you, however please also be a little bit aware of how offensive you can be with your own words. Otherwise it becomes a really difficult situation. Because it’s a two way street and though you may not be attacking me personally I find what you say about others offensive none the less.
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Defend their right to fuck all over the place..it's not really a right. Would you defend their right to take a dump on your bed?? or on your doorstep??
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Fria I think you are getting confused here. They have absolutely no right to take a dump on MY bed because it’s my property, my space. And even if it were public space they would have to use a toilet because of the MESS they would create otherwise. Because of the sanitary implications which are more than obvious and which do not apply in the same way to public sex.
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Fria Tantrumm
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Posted : Oct 20, 2009 22:44
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@ Aluxe. I understand, it's a heated discussion. But I'm not stamping on your character..yes I might be a bit harsh about FFF, but when I see someone fingering another while trying to get across something semi serious...I do find it disgusting and a bit dirty. I'm being honest. However, were I to meet them, I would only be respectful towards them as people, but not towards their methods.
I think what I really am driving at, is that achieving an environmental ideal through porn just seems like a cop out to me and that to, porn that I cannot even choose to watch. Talking about how sex has become unnatural in our society the same way the forest and the environment has become unnatural in our society may be a decent concept...but as I said before, if their concept is to make sex natural the way it should be, then why use protection or birth control?? That's an unnatural angle that only contemporary society has made a requirement. Let it be natural in all its aspects. But to talk about natural sex and then to deny the natural consequence of sex...to me it's not serious.
Secondly, I do make a distinction between nudity and sexuality. I am not put off by public displays off nudity, but am by public penetration.. The simple act of sex itself is dyadic in nature, pertaining to 2 people and hence is and was considered a private matter.
An evolutionary reason for sex in public being worse than the alternative is not hard to find – you are exposed to attack while having sex, and therefore try to do it where you can't "get caught". While this is not the only explanation, it is sufficient and this is what cause our ancestors to try to find private places for intercourse.
I'm trying to find information on ancient societies that indulged in public sexual behaviour and CANNOT..so how can you say it's natural?? The ancient greeks did not engage in sex out in the market place. Neither did the Romans. Why do you think it's was something natural that has since become taboo?? I believe that sex was always meant to be done in a private area.
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moki
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wow how did the layout of this page start to
look so fucking chaotic, or am i full of viruses again?
ahm, just two things to add fria.
first of all , i dont think that someone started
to "insult" or criticise you before you did it yourself.
i remember that the beginning of the discussion you
were talking about three dirty hippies ( which okey
might be taken as an opinion and we live in a free
world where everyone is free to have an opinion
...but then you also called it close minded to try to save
a forest with sex.
now you claim you never said it.
so please at least keep to your own words and arguments
if you wanna be taken seriously in your statements.
then please, stop wasting my time with this little miss moki,
because i am not even slightly personal to you either.
and even if i am a bit amused with your big mrs tantrum attitude,
i prefer not to play this game once more with you in isratrance...
and a last thing. if you truely believe, that it is not natural - then you need a further educational course in
entheogenic societies and ancient tribes.
they almost all walked naked ( at least the tribes,
where it was warm enough to do this),
and they never shamed because of doing sex in public.
this decency came much later, together with all other sorts of
public prohibition and tabus.
and still, dont underestimate the differences in the cultures.
like for instance in india, it might be an enormous
tabu to make a picture of a dead person, in other
societies they never heard of this tabu.
same with sex. sex is experienced totally different by
different cultures. europeans are thought to be
quite free about it...
as far as the greeks are concerned, you would be surprised
how much extatics and hedonism you could find in the
ancient days in greece. it was a real explosion of collective pleasure.
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moki
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and this one is also a bit too much for my perceptions.
tantra is about discriminating.
wow. hm okey, if you think so.
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