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Aluxe
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Posted : Oct 18, 2009 22:24
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On 2009-10-18 18:54, Fria Tantrumm wrote:
Wow...coming across as very rude I see, and extremely insulting.
The ironic comedy is that people like you think Kali worshippers need to be sexually deviant and open, and that Kali is solely associated with Tantricism. This is a western point of view about an Indian religion. Don't preach to me about what Kali worship entails. I'm better educated on that subject.
The irony is that you speak of tolerance but then completely insult me.
Atleast I accept what I am...intolerant of certain things, like sex on a dancefloor when it's not expected. I never said I was open minded, I never said I was into Tantra, whereas you rant and rave about Tolerance and then get extremely personal and negative towards me 
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Well Fria maybe you forgot but you first called the FFF guys dirty hippies, which is also quite rude and negative.
And as far as the FFF guys being sexually deviant well I would like to point out that most deviant and twisted aspects of sexuality we see in society today are a direct result of the repressive attitudes and negative associations taught about sex which are reinforced everywhere.
Like for example, do you really think an exibitionist would be equally turned on to expose his genitals in a society where everybody is already naked and free about their sexuality? Please take a moment to really think about it. Because exibitionism as well as many other fetishes only work under the veil of a sexually repressed atmosphere where doing something as harmless as exposing your genitals comes off as a damned, depraved and naughty thing to do. That’s precisely why it becomes a hot turn on for some people. But take that atmosphere of repression away and a lot of these deviant fetishes loose their power, because there is nothing outlandish about them anymore, and something like exibitionism becomes at most silly. And once you start understanding this correlation between the deviant aspects of sex and sexual repression you realize that repression is in fact the real fetish, the real sickness, the real impurity and darkness through which we look at sex. I mean people will look at a nude body and call it disgusting, dirty and highlty offensive simply because it’s naked. Like WTF. I mean who is really the sick one here, the nude person or those who see sickness in a harmless nude body?
It’s like in the US during the superbowl Janet Jackson showed half her nipple while performing and everyone was OUTRAGED. How could she! There were kids! And these conservatives used the same line of thinking and words that a lot of people here use when they attack the FFF guys such as “disgusting”, “depraved”, “dirty”, "sick" and they wanted to sue her and the TV broadcaster for all the irreversibel damage caused by her nipple peaking out of her dress. “our kids will be traumatized for ever” I mean seriously WTF
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Axis Mundi
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Posted : Oct 18, 2009 22:59
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Actually, most people in the US didn't see what the big deal was, didn't care or thought it was really funny. There was only a selective minority of ultra-conservative types who really were outraged, and the media capitalized on this and featured a few hand-picked reactionaries because of their sensationalist responses, falsely representing them as majority consensus, in order to generate ratings for their own programming. Seeing a person freak out, act emotional, and behave outlandishly is always more attention-getting than a one-second blurb of Joe Shmoe saying, "Yeah, so what? Whatever." Most Americans also laughed or shook their heads at the responses of those who threatened suing in much the same way most people in America do about things such as the woman who sued McDonald's for being burned by a spilt cup of hot coffee.
Not to say that there isn't sexual conservatism in America, which there is, but most of the time when court rulings like this are made it is the result of a handful of conservatives in the right places in power rather than a mass public outcry. It's also safe to say that there is far less sexual repression there as in past years, which can be evidenced by the media saturation of sexually based advertisement campaigns, TV shows, magazines, books, etc. which simply were not around in the past days of heightened conservatism/repression.
The same could apply to various types of drug use in society and the media, as well. There was far more "outrage" and media sensationalism, for example, of revelations that Bush partied hearty in college than when Obama readily admitted to smoking pot and snorting blow in his past just a few short years later.
Usually, like most things in America which cause sweeping change, there is a boatload of money to be made in exploiting the issue in different ways.
Aluxe makes a good point about exhibitionism and fetishes, but one thing which could also be pointed out is that exposing one's genitals in such a way also signals a message of intent which isn't necessarily reciprocated or called for by the receiver. In a theoretical society where everyone would be naked and exposing one's genitals was a non-issue, a person who went around brushing his/her exposed genitals against other people's exposed bodies would be doing the same, signaling a message of intent that isn't asked for by the receiver, and could therefore be construed as offensive by that person. In cases like that it comes down to deliberation because it makes a certain, specific statement towards that person that simply walking around naked doesn't necessarily make.
I'm not sure that removing the clothes of society would negate a person's sexual desires or urges. Would shooting one's load onto the backside of another person be less offensive on a sidewalk where everyone was naked versus clothed? Honest question. Perhaps a naked society could have some negative effects too, such as giving perverts and pedophiles more room to hide and license for them to act out because it's easier to disguise lewd behavior towards, say, children, for example, as innocent naked behavior.
It would probably take more sweeping, fundamental reforms in society beyond simply the removal of clothes in order to change outlooks on sexuality. The "naked society" argument is a tough one to hold water because it suggests a theoretical utopia where people don't have the urges, issues and problems that they do in the "real" world with little to no examples of societies to compare with.
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Fria Tantrumm
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Posted : Oct 18, 2009 23:26
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On 2009-10-18 21:43, Moki.Time.Wave.Zero wrote:
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On 2009-10-18 18:54, Fria Tantrumm wrote:
I never said I was open minded, I never said I was into Tantra
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is the word "tantrumm" a sort of a negation of tantra:))))?
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Actually "Tantrumm" was to imply throwing a tantrum...and the Logo symbolizes that as Kali is well know for throwing a tantrum on the battle field, crazed and high from drinking the blood of the demons. Only when she realized that in her battle rage she had overdone it and was dancing on top of Shiva, did she calm down....one version says that the reason she sticks her tongue out is an exhibition of "Shame". A gesture of coyness-because she unwittingly stepped on the body of her husband Shiva.
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TranceVisuals
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Posted : Oct 18, 2009 23:49
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Personally, I reckoned Shiva probably deserved it...
You could just imagine it, there is Kali, coming in from a hard days work, battling the demons of the universe, saving the gods arses, and there is Shiva sitting at home, stoned off his bollox as usual, the housework barely done, a pile of dirty laundry, and dirty dishes for as far as the eye can see. Kids running amok, whilst Vishnu and Brahma beat a hasty exit out the backdoor.
No wonder she's stomping all over him, he hasn't even made her tea!
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Fria Tantrumm
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Posted : Oct 19, 2009 00:12
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Yup, She seems pretty intolerant as well Nothing a boom wouldn't cure however
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Axis Mundi
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Posted : Oct 19, 2009 00:22
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I'm certainly no expert on the subject, but it seems like a lot of other non-experts seem to equate/confuse the practice of tantra with tantric sex. But a lot of the articles I'm googling now suggest there's a lot more to it than just that, that the sex aspect is only a part of the whole idea, and even then in Buddhist tantra the sex aspect isn't even considered a significant part at all. Is that accurate?
(I was actually going to suggest the "throwing a tantrum" idea based on what little I've read, but I know very very little about Hinduism and didn't want to speak about it as if I did. Thanks for confirming, Fria )
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TranceVisuals
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Posted : Oct 19, 2009 07:43
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Yeah, most people get tantra confused with the "advertising".
Most tantric texts (himalayan) get as racy as having a glass of red wine and a bit of steak for tea.
The sex emphasis tends to come from the depictions of the practicioneer and his consort, but you also have to remember that the tibetan region also tended to have a lot more men than women, which culturally also shaped things, like a woman marrying all the brothers of the same family. |
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mk47
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Posted : Oct 19, 2009 15:19
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this discussion can go on endlessly but im pretty sure the sight of people fucking in the middle of a trancefloor will unnerve or weird out even the yay sayers here , think about , lsd , loud music , and live sex .. just try and imagine , eww ,
my view remains , fff = a crass and tacky means to an end , i cant believe people are likening it to smoking pot and loud music , that's just a very weak argument .
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Fria Tantrumm
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Posted : Oct 19, 2009 16:19
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On 2009-10-18 22:24, Aluxe wrote:
Well Fria maybe you forgot but you first called the FFF guys dirty hippies, which is also quite rude and negative.
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Correct...But I ain't the one extolling the virtues of tolerance. Hence in my intolerant view, fucking openly at a party is dirty. From a hygenic standpoint it screams DANGER...public disposal of bodily fluids should generally be avoided don't you think?? I mean, have we not learnt any lessons from the fact that one of the deadliest diseases, AIDS, became so prevalent because of SEX. Do you not think it's a subtle message from nature, telling us to chill out on our carnal cravings and basic lack of self control.....and don't twist this around to mean being sexually repressed. Everything in moderation my friend and done with some amount of respect in an appropriate place, for the appropriate reasons is what I am talking about.
And going off on a tangent here I will say that in the broad sense of the matter, fucking is what fucked the forest in the first place-Population explosions, the need to increase consumption.
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On 2009-10-15 09:11, Aluxe wrote:
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On 2009-10-14 17:17, Moki.Time.Wave.Zero wrote:
btw why walk naked in the airport- you will be arrested if you do this ( it is illegal) and will pay money for having done it. it is like to go and smoke a joint in front of the scanner guard at the airport.....there are certainly more wise methods to show a vision...
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Exactly, great way to put it!
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Not really...I would call that a cowardly approach to trying to get a message across.
It's like preaching to a nun about the pros of celibacy...not really making a huge impact cause the nun already practices celibacy..whereas if one wanted to really further their message one would preach to those who oppose it.
Like the Green Peace activists who managed to shut down a factory in London ILLEGALLY...and yes they got arrested, and yes they had to go to trial..but that is what trying to get a message across is about.
Fucking at a trance party is just bullshit.
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Dogon
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Posted : Oct 19, 2009 16:26
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On 2009-10-19 16:19, Fria Tantrumm wrote:
Fucking at a trance party is just bullshit.
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nah, its fun, but do in your tent!
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Fria Tantrumm
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Posted : Oct 19, 2009 17:09
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I stand corrected.
Do it in the tent I say
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Xolvexs
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Posted : Oct 19, 2009 17:18
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Wood grows better in open space under the stars, sun or moon than it does in a tent...
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Dogon
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Posted : Oct 19, 2009 17:27
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Xolvexs
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Posted : Oct 19, 2009 19:10
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On 2009-10-19 17:09, Fria Tantrumm wrote:
I stand corrected.
Do it in the tent I say
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I stand erected
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Nectarios
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Posted : Oct 19, 2009 19:28
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On 2009-10-18 23:49, TranceVisuals wrote:
Personally, I reckoned Shiva probably deserved it...
You could just imagine it, there is Kali, coming in from a hard days work, battling the demons of the universe, saving the gods arses, and there is Shiva sitting at home, stoned off his bollox as usual, the housework barely done, a pile of dirty laundry, and dirty dishes for as far as the eye can see. Kids running amok, whilst Vishnu and Brahma beat a hasty exit out the backdoor.
No wonder she's stomping all over him, he hasn't even made her tea!
Just another day in paradise...
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