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Anarchy and Fuck For Forest Video by TimeWaveZero TV
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Axis Mundi
Axis Mundi
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Posted : Oct 17, 2009 00:17
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Actually, a lot of people who also agree with what you are saying are also saying I am making a lot of very good points in my arguments, so I don't think that this is absolutely correct, either.
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moki
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Posted : Oct 17, 2009 01:00
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| I didn't see you there, though. I'm assuming it's because you saw my name on the flyer and based on that, made up your mind on the spot that the event wouldn't be worth your time/presence. I could be wrong, though. |
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you are assuming quite right. i love mystic rose parties though. but it is not worth my time to lose energy with what you were spreading publicly at that time. and i felt pity for mystic rose and kitkat too heh.
and if i missunderstood the basics of the opinions that seemed to me and others here an outrageous NO to fuckforforest , then it was because it was repeated many times here that the people from the anarchistic congress were right to do this and that. which is the basic of my refusal to swim in the direction of the major river in this thread. i dont believe that it is right to dicriminate fuck for forest. and as you saw in the interview, they are banned from three berlin alternative houses. hauseverbot. i dont find this okey. whatever the opinions about them might be ( dont forget that i would also never participate in this form of vision), it is not fair to treat them like that.
especially on an anarchistic congress.
but as you told as the story about mystic rose - you seem to miss some quite important background informations but this is your usual method. btw do you know which person stands behind the yoga city on the antaris ( we were talkin earlier about the antaris and fff)?
but anyway - i am not gonna search for quotes that seem to me an absolute support for those who discriminated fff at the anarchist congress. cause i have no time to searchi n 20 pages, five of them full with ridiculous corrections about the etymology of the word sin.
but i had a phone call with a person involved with the congress today, i will meet him next week ( latest) and then i know more. havent been in the squat for a long time now.
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braininavat
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Posted : Oct 17, 2009 01:01
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On 2009-10-16 16:02, TranceVisuals wrote:
People who describe themselves as a "braininavat" tend to suggest a materialistic reductionistic outlook on life, which would suppose that "resources" are limited.
That is again, not actually true. We invent resources according to need/use
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You can believe what ever you want to believe, but you are basically saying we have infinite resources, which is simply false.
We can not build an infinite amount of computers you are reading this on because the earth does not contain an infinite amount of oil, nickel, copper, man hours and intellectual muscle.
To mention the universe in this is beyond stupid and completely ignorant of the space between the earth and the resources located elsewhere in the universe...
I'm not "suggesting" materialistic reductionism...I ABSOLUTELY am a materialist.
The difference between you and I philosophically is I have read all of Terence Mckenna, Tim Leary, religious/spiritual nonsense..."Shamanism and Tantra in the Himalayas" by Christian Rätsch is the most amazing text I've ever seen...but for the artwork, the ideas are just nonsense..
I don't bother getting too into economics arguements on here because I know you simply have not spent years of your life studying the subject like I have.
I'm a professional index futures trader and while I love psychedelic trance, my real love is economics. Of which most humans have less than even a few undergrad class education in. Some people go farther than being totally ignorant of economics and can throw around 200 year old jargon in a conversation....But its still 200 years old and has nothing to do with modern economic thought.
Its just not a subject that lends itself to an "economics for dummies" book because it has evolved into something so vast if you would like to get current.
Also, my username on here is for what to me is the most pyschedelic thought experiment humans have ever thought up.
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braininavat
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Posted : Oct 17, 2009 01:18
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On 2009-10-16 19:00, Fria Tantrumm wrote:
Nor does one need to exert tolerance in all speheres to be termed tolerant..
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Logic is not a strong point I see..
You basically just said above the absolute equivalent of "I'm not a racist..I just hate niggers!". I take it you would view someone who said that as a racist yourself...but your egocentrism blinds you from how dumb what you post here is.
I'm also sure I'm not the only one here who gets the ironic comedy of a sexually repressed kali worshipper wanna be tantrica...
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Freeflow
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Posted : Oct 17, 2009 02:04
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Brain in a vat - haha thats superb!
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TranceVisuals
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Posted : Oct 17, 2009 09:25
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Personally I may not of studied "economics" to the length you might of, but I consider myself fairly knowledgable on the subject. Though you seem to put forward nothing more than an old Malthusian proposition.
I don't dismiss your knowledge on "spirituality", or other things, merely because of I have spent fifteen years full-time on these things, I think it is a bit crass that you do. It's like Moki, invoking her "spooky knowledge from fairies".
I also know exactly where your "handle" came from, but I would seriously doubt that it is the most psychedelic experiment ever thought up.
Nice thought-idea, but you could as simply say with equal validity, this is all the dream of brahman. Personally it seems the "organism-environment" description is more apt to our experience of reality.
As for economics and resources, I tend to like the ideas of Bucky Fuller. But at the end of the day, I guess it is a matter of perspective, not right or wrong.
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Axis Mundi
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Posted : Oct 17, 2009 10:36
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but as you told as the story about mystic rose - you seem to miss some quite important background informations but this is your usual method. btw do you know which person stands behind the yoga city on the antaris ( we were talkin earlier about the antaris and fff)? |
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That story was about my personal experience at one party, so I'm not sure what "details" you're claiming I'm "missing" since you were not there to be a part of it.
And as for the Antaris festival, are you talking about in this thread, or at your house? Nobody has mentioned that here, and I don't remember what was talked about regarding Antaris at your house.
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moki
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Posted : Oct 17, 2009 14:06
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what are you talking about man?
what antaris in my house? we were talking about antaris in the thread psy and love, where we started the conversation about FFF.your memory doesnt seem to be in best form.
fff told me that they were sent away from antaris as well, which is to my knowledge the only festival that discriminated them in the trance scene ( but there could be more, i just never heard about it from FFF).
in earlier years , when i used to live in another city in germany ( frankfurt), i remember quite well that the organisers of the gathering of the tribes officially invited FFF to be a part of it . lots of organisers do this and even pay their tickets for the travel. so it is definitely just some intolerant visitors - they are the ones who dont give FFF a chance. it is not the core of the scene.
as far as mystic rose is concerned - i think you should really not underestimate the difference between you and me - i used to have my high point of partying 15-10 years ago. 10-5 years ago i had the zenit of this activity and i am now somewhere totally else and not exactly where you are in your life development. sorry but i find it truely inappropirate to teach me on certain things which you were doing non stop in lots of threads - i think i have quite a lot more behind me in connection with trancing and parties in germany than you do heh ehehehe. and i was a part of it for a very long time. ut some ridiculous discriminations at goabase.de this year put the dead point of my participation finally. it hurted but it is gone now. anyway the core of the scene is not really available in the forums. and whoever thinks that a forum is the right statistic quantity to make a conclusion about the scene, is totally fucked up in his perceptions.
even my last attempts to be a part of a party life turned into a disaster after that, cause i wrote an essay why i love to call it dark psy - and then i saw what real discrimination of the ideas of others means. so i truely had enough of it. so it is not really my thing, and it is not only you the reason that i dont go. as a matter of fact i see on almost every flyer names that i dont wanna see - and one name is enough. at the present day it is even enough to see that a flyer is publicly in goabase.de - it is a reason not to go.
so anyway - i will even kind of freeze my website in the next months. and start a non trancy thing. it is just not my way. wish you luck with the partys though. as a matter of fact i wanted to see you only because you made a different impression on me here in isratrance than the rest of the tousands of fucked up brains visiting the parties. but you are not different - you are even worse.
as a matter of fact it was lots of years ago, when a dead baby was found dead at a festival in the toilete, that was the last time i had blue eyes about this culture in germany. after that i have been much more communicating with the left scene in general, with entheogen culture projects and with projects in india and abroad, instead.
whatever, i had a bit of overkill from this discussion now.
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Axis Mundi
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Posted : Oct 17, 2009 14:31
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| your memory doesnt seem to be in best form. |
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That's because I have more important things on my mind right now than every detail of every forum conversation on Isratrance.
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| as far as mystic rose is concerned - i think you should really not underestimate the difference between you and me - i used to have my high point of partying 15-10 years ago. 10-5 years ago i had the zenit of this activity and i am now somewhere totally else and not exactly where you are in your life development. sorry but i find it truely inappropirate to teach me on certain things which you were doing non stop in lots of threads - i think i have quite a lot more behind me in connection with trancing and parties in germany than you do heh ehehehe. and i was a part of it for a very long time. |
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Good for you, but so what? I was just sharing a nice experience I had with the group.
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Colin OOOD
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moki
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Posted : Oct 17, 2009 16:45
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| That's because I have more important things on my mind right now than every detail of every forum conversation on Isratrance. |
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you dont look like that though.
about 30 percent of this thread is filled with your meaningless points about the etymology of the word sin ( which you did not even presented right and your correction was totally unneeded and wrong).
so you get the first award for the overkill in this thread. may be it is really time to slow up, but i know you will not - so may be just turn your attention to other more important issues in isratrance.
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Xolvexs
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Posted : Oct 17, 2009 18:07
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moki and axis u guys are beginning to sound like a married couple
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Fria Tantrumm
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Posted : Oct 18, 2009 18:54
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On 2009-10-17 01:18, braininavat wrote:
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On 2009-10-16 19:00, Fria Tantrumm wrote:
Nor does one need to exert tolerance in all speheres to be termed tolerant..
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Logic is not a strong point I see..
You basically just said above the absolute equivalent of "I'm not a racist..I just hate niggers!". I take it you would view someone who said that as a racist yourself...but your egocentrism blinds you from how dumb what you post here is.
I'm also sure I'm not the only one here who gets the ironic comedy of a sexually repressed kali worshipper wanna be tantrica...
lol
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Wow...coming across as very rude I see, and extremely insulting.
The ironic comedy is that people like you think Kali worshippers need to be sexually deviant and open, and that Kali is solely associated with Tantricism. This is a western point of view about an Indian religion. Don't preach to me about what Kali worship entails. I'm better educated on that subject.
The irony is that you speak of tolerance but then completely insult me.
Atleast I accept what I am...intolerant of certain things, like sex on a dancefloor when it's not expected. I never said I was open minded, I never said I was into Tantra, whereas you rant and rave about Tolerance and then get extremely personal and negative towards me 
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-Abatwa-
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Posted : Oct 18, 2009 20:45
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weird ego trips ere 
maybe mr locke missed those books on his complete comprehention of all the spiritual religious nonsense 
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moki
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Posted : Oct 18, 2009 21:43
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On 2009-10-18 18:54, Fria Tantrumm wrote:
I never said I was open minded, I never said I was into Tantra
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is the word "tantrumm" a sort of a negation of tantra:))))?
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