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braininavat
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Posted : Oct 16, 2009 15:52
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and what about neoliberalism?
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I don't really care. We have a mixed system in place that can in general be called a market economy. This system is not going to change to any great degree in my lifetime so I would rather spend my time understanding the mechanics of what we actually have than ideologies of what the system could evolve into. |
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TranceVisuals
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People who describe themselves as a "braininavat" tend to suggest a materialistic reductionistic outlook on life, which would suppose that "resources" are limited.
That is again, not actually true. We invent resources according to need/use, and in a universe the size it is, it is a case of figuring out how to access and utilise the resources that should be more a fundamental focus.
I also wasn't talking about markets in general, but the notion of the "free market" as exemplified by the Adam Smith Institute, and not as it often gets confused with a form of "laissez-faire".
People who believe in markets, are no less crazy than people who believe in fairies imho.  |
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Freeflow
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Posted : Oct 16, 2009 16:11
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"This system is not going to change to any great degree in my lifetime"
lets hope you dont live too long then
just kidding 
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moki
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Posted : Oct 16, 2009 16:12
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On 2009-10-15 19:44, Login wrote:
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On 2009-10-15 13:26, Xolvexs wrote:
you think putting economics in the way of nature is a way to BALANCE the nature? are stupid? are you day dreaming?
Nature unlike humans does not calculate, it just keeps on happening. There is no 7 day week or 365 days a year...there is a full moon and the moon cycle. Nature does not believe in distribution...it believes in survival of the fittest...
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Well in fact nature behaves like a perfect free market in dynamic equilibrium. Economics (specially free market ones) are not our invention, it’s a extrapolation of natures system, that’s why free market work better than any other system, its natural, its how nature distributes resources. Nature is 100% efficient, evolution it self is a process of specialization, diversification and “biological technology development”.
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my dears, i tell you what is the common thing between the free market, the nature and fuck for forest.
http://goldennumber.net/stocks.htm
http://books.google.de/books?ei=QnzYStawKonInAOMxtCmBA&ct=result&lr=&q=fractals+of+market
here we have the fractal market analysis. the theory about the fractal nature of the stock market is nothing new to anyone with deeper knowledge of economics - you need this knowledge otherwise you are dead in the stock market.
but we already mentioned this point about the plan of god which is to play dices. it is the plan of coinscidence and chance.
2. nature is fractal, as well as society. ( i leave the googling for another life cause i have too much to do right now). it means, that both nature and society are based on the patterns of the chaos principle. they organize themselves dynamically on chance, but a butterfly effect can be found in any of those choatic systems ( and be used as well - for making systems more dense on certain points).
3. and now we come to the bingo. what does this have to do with fuck for forest.
it is very very simple. what is the reason that this topic has 19 pages of discussion only in a perdiod of one week , and what it the reason that it was watched 1500 times on my server for an incredibly short period of time.
answer - it is a butterfly effect. because it makes the dynamic chaotic system more dense. it is a meme that is present in every human mind and will always be.
logically it means to me that it is far more efficient to put the topic about the destruction of the dying forests onto the background of sex. it is wise and it is efficient. because it gets the most attention.....
keep an eye for the butterfly effects in your life. synchronicity is the language of the creator.... the creator doesnt have an opinion about what is right and wrong.
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Xolvexs
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Posted : Oct 16, 2009 17:41
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lets make out moki and that will solve a lot of problems
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moki
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Posted : Oct 16, 2009 17:43
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explanation?
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Dogon
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moki
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what does make out mean? you wanna put me out of a forum again hahahahah. unfortunately i had only one weak place in my life- all the rest -> dont give a * hehehe. yeah make me out. this will save lots of persons fromm their of their greed , hate and intelolerance. unofrtunately karma never forgets. it is like the butterfly effect. the language of the creator hehehe
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Axis Mundi
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Posted : Oct 16, 2009 18:27
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"Make out" means kiss and do other stuff also.
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Fria Tantrumm
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Posted : Oct 16, 2009 19:00
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On 2009-10-16 04:38, braininavat wrote:
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On 2009-10-15 11:57, Fria Tantrumm wrote:
I think our fundamental differences on the topic stem from the fact that you equate sex to be the same as wearing a T shirt, playing with a tricycyle and other such benign activities....
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Do you think the public consumption of drugs should be ok at a trance party? Are you offended if someone is smoking a joint?
If you are not, its probly because you have no problem with these things yourself and would make the arguement that it is ok because it is not actually hurting anyone.
Someone who does not do drugs can make the exact arguements you are and be just as offended as you are by public displays of sex. Personal preferences though is meaningless, they are beside the point. The point is you either have tolerance or you do not. If you do not like drugs then don't take them. If you do not like public sex then don't fuck in public. You can not make the arguement that viewing 2 people fucking in the woods is somehow injuring you, otherwise someone who does not like drugs is "injured" by viewing someone else smoking a joint.
Its absurd.
Hell, I'm sure some people are offended by loud weird music..
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Well I don´t believe in an all or nothing attitude. One need not be liberal about everything or conservative about everything. Nor does one need to exert tolerance in all speheres to be termed tolerant..cause as I mentioned before, FFF then should be tolerant of the destruction of the forest as well and chill out instead of trying to make a statement and raise money. Hence, I find smoking allright, and public sex not allright. Sex in a forest is one thing, sex at a music festival is another, according to me.
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Aluxe
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Posted : Oct 16, 2009 22:17
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as I mentioned before, FFF then should be tolerant of the destruction of the forest as well and chill out instead of trying to make a statement and raise money.
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No Fria it’s not the same thing at all. The FFF guys are not hurting anybody with their public displays of sex, if anything its offensive to your own personal beliefs and morals which is a subjective thing. On the other hand the destruction of the forest hurts EVERYONE regardless of what they believe, even the other animals are doomed if we destroy the forests. I hope you see the difference.
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Axis Mundi
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Posted : Oct 16, 2009 22:41
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That doesn't mean other people's beliefs shouldn't be respected. Even if you disagree with those beliefs. If people feel offended then they are not going to accept your message. If people are offended by smoking joints in public then they are not ever going to think you are cool for doing so. You will not very far by throwing it in someone's face.
Likewise if everyone is having sex in the open then you are going to be perceived as a jackass for acting offended and telling them they are wrong. You are now in their area and it is now up to you to either live with it and accept it or go some place where you won't be bothering everyone.
However if you have a place where you do your thing that isn't necessarily where people have to be around it whether they want to or not, you can even put a sign up or something that says "THIS IS WHAT WE DO HERE -- CHECK US OUT IF YOU WANT TO" then people will be more apt to be open and curious and inquisitive to what you are about and this is exactly the sort of mindset you want people to be in if you want to get people to more readily accept your idea.
In short, if you want to get respect from people, you have to earn it by giving them respect first. What goes around comes around and if people feel you are treating them disrespectfully then they are likely to show disrespect to you in return.
It's about giving people the choice versus taking it away from them.
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moki
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Posted : Oct 16, 2009 23:10
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not clear how this argument is supposed to cover all the hundreds of posts you wrote against the vision of fff.
give fuck for forest a choice. it is very simple. you take the choice away from them - then you are the one who is intolerant and disrespectful, dont you think. it is one thing to just express an opinion ( for instance, " i dont like porn at th eparties" and a totally another thing to really ban them and discriminate them, because your mind is too narror to realize their vision.
i am personally quite tolerant towards any given madness or action , even if it is very far away from ordinary reality, but i am very intolerant towards intolerance. i either leave for ever or fight against it till i win. give the people a choice. it is a public place. it is not your bed. who are you to decide what is wrong or right? and if smoking a joint is okey, but sex is not okey, well then obviously it is not the public decency what is the problem ( cause a public decency means that smoking a joint is prohibited too). so what is the problem then - it is your own mirror.
oh, and personally to you - actually i told you the sentence about the shame just to make an example about the fact that it is exactly the people who release you or organise the best parties in berlin, who are walking with fuck for forest t-shirts. i wonder how would you behave in their companion -there you would be the minority with your absolutely conservative and narrow minded ideas of what is the right way to behave.
but anyway keep making yourself ridiculous in the forums.
as far as the joint is concerned - wow.
well, there are plenty of ppl who are disturbed by joints too - they dont smoke and dont wanna anyone to smoke around them either. so? what do we do? prohibit the fucking smokers.
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Dennis the menace
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Axis Mundi
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give fuck for forest a choice. it is very simple. you take the choice away from them - then you are the one who is intolerant and disrespectful, dont you think. |
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Uhm, I'm not against them. I accept what they do but that doesn't mean I can't be critical of them or what they do, and it doesn't mean I can't offer opinions of what/how they could do better.
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I have seen them at many parties I have been to and performed at. I tolerate them and am happy that they are there. While I disagree with them on some things that they do, I don't disrespect them and have never called for banning them and I have never discriminated against them for anything. I have had several friendly conversations with them at parties also. I just choose not to participate in their activites.
I have never seen you at any event I have been to, though, so I don't expect you to know that.
In my last post above, one could remove the examples of sex and joint smoking and replace it with just about any activity and the opinion still holds water.
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The people whom I associate with respect my opinion and I respect theirs even when we disagree and even if we debate about it. That's why they are my friends. There is nothing conservative or narrow minded about that.
If that last paragraph was not true, I would not be able to release music through those labels and i would not keep getting invited back to Berlin to perform - again and again and again.
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If I were a non-smoker and I wanted to go to a place where lots of people were smoking frequently, I would have no right to be upset about it or expect them to stop just because I were there. There is nothing conservative or narrow minded about that.
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I have the right to decide what is right or wrong for me and my environment, and if I do not have group consensus with the rest of the people in my environment, it is up to me to find a new environment. If there is group consensus, then it is up to those who do not have group consensus to do the same.
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That's not always true. A couple of weeks ago I was invited to headline the dark floor at the 15th anniversary of Mystic Rose, Germany's 2nd oldest psy/goa party. Star Sounds Orchestra were there also. It was the first year the event ever had a dark floor and the promoter offered me the booking because he felt I was right for it. The event was at Kit Kat Club... for those who aren't familiar with it, Kit Kat is Berlin's largest swinger/fetish club. It's known all across Germany. Kit Kat is not a public place. The people who go there do so because it's a place where thy can go to freely express themselves and be as they are. FFF was there also and it wasn't a problem for me. I approached them and said Hi and at one point we had a very funny conversation where we all laughed and smiled at each other. If anything that went on there WAS a problem, I certainly would not have had the right to be pissed and offended, getting all belligerent and demand they all stop. However, that wasn't the case at all. Actually, everyone there made me feel very welcome and I was happy to be around those people. I had a great time there and the overall vibe was really positive. Lots of people were very happy with my contribution and the energy I brought there, and the club owner seemed to really like me and thanked me for being there and performing. He was a great guy who was very professional, treated me with respect, a lot more so than most in the scene I have dealt with, and I did the same, and the result was a very happy relationship built that night all around. I would definitely play there again if I were asked, and based on that, chances are I will be asked eventually.
Overall it was one of my favorite parties all year.
I didn't see you there, though. I'm assuming it's because you saw my name on the flyer and based on that, made up your mind on the spot that the event wouldn't be worth your time/presence. I could be wrong, though. |
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