kazuku
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Posted : Oct 13, 2009 15:59
Dark forset porn? Stuff like this...thats good healthy natural sex no space for fetishes or perversions...hehe
Monster suit porn
moki
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Posted : Oct 13, 2009 17:46
in my opinion this thread is taking a very ugly direction.
first of all , thanks to aluxe for the last insightful words here:
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Do what you want, I also would rather donate to other organizations but I don't see why the FFF guys need to be discriminated against. It's just complete intolerance to me. Let this guys do whatever they want, if they are not hurting anybody who cares how they choose to live their lives.
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Hey are you sure you are not in some ways kind of a right wing conservative without being totally aware of it? I see people who claim to be liberals or even atheists who think they are free from religious dogmas but when it comes to feeling comfortable in nudity or accepting others like FFF they still carry all the usual Christian conservative prejudices and negative associations about sex in one way or another, even though they like to pretend they don't.
Its one thing to say you are free and it is quite another to actually really be free.
right. and the usual christian prejudices are connected to the idea that we have someone else to go to the cross and be made responsible for our own sins. the sins are always outside of us, but not within us ( irony). we will send another dude to sacrifice himself on the cross. exactly like this case. the sin is fuck for forest - i am sure neither of the critics think of themselves as someone who has exactly the same sins as fuck for forest, but just doenst have the courage to stand out and say - hey, i am gonna accept my sins and do a good deed out of them....
why pretend to be so high minded and to have no sins? everyone has. even jesus said this. btw the best thing he did, was to save a prostitute out of the stones of the crowd. remember. throw a stone on me, he said,step forward and throw a stone if you believe you have no sins.
2. btw i dont know why you think that fff are not artistic in the way they make sex. i find them btw very interesting by means of fashion appearance. they are unique in their style. like you know - i see every time 100 of psy/goa heads all dressed same in psy dress code, all trying to delude themselves and all others by appearing psychedelic, and in fact having nothing to do with this way of thinking and the open mindedness connected to it. but if someone appears who is unique in the way he dresses, then he is not artistic enough. i found their style really cute.
3. and they fuck different as well. ok, i am not the sort of person to enjoy porn. sorry. i just prefer the mind of a person and sex is a means to get to know the mind better. i am not such a fen of porn. but nevertheless i dont see the point why are they discriminated. so we heard in this thread that it is even close minded what they do. take a mirror and talk further.
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Posted : Oct 13, 2009 17:49
yeah i think everybody should fuck for vegans ,
fuck for peace , fuck for this , fuck for that , haha ..
as far as im concerned this is all bullshit since most problems with humanity derive from excess demand from an incredibly inflated human population on the planet , too much fucking i reckon .. maybe they should be fucking for birth control or something ..
sry , thats just my view , im a conservative ..
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Posted : Oct 13, 2009 18:04
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On 2009-10-11 01:56, Moki.Time.Wave.Zero wrote:
3. about jesus - i guess there are another more appropriate topics where you can share with us your view of christianity
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On 2009-10-11 12:11, Moki.Time.Wave.Zero wrote:
i commented enough on jesus , especially in other topics. and my lifetime is too short to repeat.
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right. and the usual christian prejudices are connected to the idea that we have someone else to go to the cross and be made responsible for our own sins. the sins are always outside of us, but not within us ( irony). we will send another dude to sacrifice himself on the cross. exactly like this case.
Since a significant percentage of the people participating in this discussion don't come from Christian societies, I don't see what relevance this analogy has.
TranceVisuals
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Posted : Oct 13, 2009 18:45
Did you know the "sin" that people refer to, as often taken from the infamous KJB (king James Bible) is another "interpolation" from the "original" greek texts that it comes from...
Sin meant nothing other "than making a mistake, and repeating it" in the greek from which it was translated.
All the other nonsense about "sin" was a result of the church(es) social engineering policies.
Yeah infact all those bits in italics in the KJB actually refer to where the authors were UNSURE of the context/grammatical accuracy.
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Posted : Oct 13, 2009 19:54
right. the original ethymology of sin means:
to miss the target.
=to miss the plan of god.
whereas western christianity diverted this into :
sinn= not to follow the rules of other humans
it is originally something else. not to follow the target of god.
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Posted : Oct 13, 2009 20:07
In the commentaries I have read on the subject, they tend not to emphasis the "god's plan" element. As the idea of "god's plan" seems to be a matter of interpretation, it might easily as be said "the way of things" without the need for the anthropomorphism.
But really at the end of the day, the Bible is just such a hobbled piece together of whatever theological fancy was in favour at the time of codexification, that really it shouldn't be taken too seriously, or authoritively on the subject.
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Posted : Oct 14, 2009 01:51
God plays with dices, there is no plan
"The dedication to repetition — the search for nirvana in a single held tone or an endlessly cycling rhythm — is one of electronic music's noblest gestures."
Axis Mundi
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Posted : Oct 14, 2009 02:53
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On 2009-10-13 19:54, Moki.Time.Wave.Zero wrote:
right. the original ethymology of sin means:
to miss the target.
=to miss the plan of god.
whereas western christianity diverted this into :
sinn= not to follow the rules of other humans
it is originally something else. not to follow the target of god.
no no no no no no no no no no no no!!!
You can't take words and wikipedia terms and just jumble them up and twist them into whatever meaning you want.
The original etymology of "sin" is Germanic and meant "to be", as in, "to exist", conjugated into words like "is" with variations of the original spelling depending on the language (such as "synn" in Old English, "zijn" in Dutch, "sein" in German, "synd" in Norse), and sometimes in the possessive form meaning his/her/its (own) in Danish and was in almost all cases pronounced with a long "I" sound such as the sound of "eye".
In those Pagan Germanic days the concept of "sin" (as a transgression of divine law) was absent.
In Biblical Hebrew the term for "to miss the mark" is "het" and in ancient Greek the word meaning "to miss the mark" was "hamartia" (can't post Greek letters on this forum), of which a similar word was also an ARCHERY term in Old English. Both of these words are very broadly and generically used in ancient literature to mean everything from literally missing the mark with an arrow to an error, a flaw, a mistake, or a wrongdoing.
It wasn't until roughly the 10th or 13th centuries that the Church (as TranceVisuals said) began mistranslating the word through the King James Bible (to be published shortly thereafter) that the definition of "sin" changed from its original meaning to the one we know today.
It's been theorized that the reason "sin" began being associated with "guilt" when speaking of translating Biblical text came from such abstract usage such as "the one who it is".
So stop butchering wikipedia definitions of words as if you are some kind of authority on the English language, Moki, because this isn't the first time you've used words without understanding what they actually mean.
Here is an interesting article on the origins of the word "sin". I suggest you read it.
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Posted : Oct 14, 2009 05:09
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God plays with dices, there is no plan
Not only is there not a plan, but no dice to throw and no god to throw them.
Why waste mental energy on the meaning of sin...Its absolutely no different than argueing what Tolkien ment the ring to mean in Lord of The Rings 2000 years from now.
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Posted : Oct 14, 2009 05:39
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On 2009-10-08 13:47, Axis Mundi wrote:
Does comfort, freedom, and acceptance of your body have to do with wearing clothes versus being naked?
If one is truly free and comfortable with oneself, why the need to display it outwards to others? i.e. walking around naked (or any other outward expression). People who truly are at peace with themselves don't need to be anything other than who they are, and don't need to go out of their way to make a statement to their fellows. Their peace and comfort is instantly, unconsciously recognizable to anyone who interacts with them without them needing to do anything outside of what they normally would do.
How healthy is it for the body to walk around naked all the time?
What would happen if nobody wore clothes, and walked around nude all the time?
Besides the need for warmth and protection against harsh nature, what would happen is we'd be preoccupied by sex all the time, little to nothing else would ever be accomplished, society would revert to a primitive state in the blink of an eye, and a litany of other human rights and health issues would arise indirectly.
That doesn't sound like freedom to me. It sounds more like slavery to our base, animal instincts. Any "higher" or "spiritual" aspects of sex would be completely out of the question as raping and killing would become the norm, and darker emotions such as jealousy, greed, covetousness, and more would reign.
On bringing kids to festivals: I have mixed feelings on this issue. On one hand I've seen festie kids grow up to be well-balanced individuals. On the other hand I've witnessed "families" peddling bathtub potions in one hand with their baby in the other. If the parents plan on staying sober and treating the event like any other family event, why not bring the kids? If they want to let loose and party, why expose the kids to that? As far as parental responsibility, no parent can ever watch their kids 100% of the time, no matter where they are. I've made bombs, played swords with rusty metal, climbed dangerous trees and structures many meters higher than five, and done plenty of other stuff, in all sorts of environments other than festivals. Plenty of times I could have gotten seriously hurt or killed. Fortunately I didn't even though I witnessed some pretty nasty stuff that happened to friends at that age. The point being, my parents never knew what I was getting into 100% of the time, and a festival environment versus a home environment wouldn't have made a difference there.
If I want to explore my sexuality or my consciousness through drug use, I'll go to an event thrown for such a purpose, i.e. a sex party, acid party, etc. I don't feel the need to bring my little reality bubble with me, and besides, if I'm truly interested in achieving something through those means, in the middle of a dancefloor or open area is always the worst place for that, full of distractions, strangers pointing and laughing and staring from the corner or asking for a hit of my joint or one of my drops, and basically directing attention and energy at me that just gets in the way of my purpose at that moment. Quiet, comfortable, secluded places are always better for those sorts of things, at least for me personally.
RESPECT!
Nomolos(Zenon Rec.)
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Posted : Oct 14, 2009 06:08
porn with a cause...hehehe... whats next? a real script for the movie?!?!
really now...
people want to fuck - let them
people want to claim they are saving the planet by fucking - let them
