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Posted : Oct 12, 2009 01:47
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And about the religion talk around here, give me a break as ravers your only god must be Dionysus, and by his standars what FFF is not only right, but what everybody should do.
So go and fuck please
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Freeflow
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Posted : Oct 12, 2009 02:08
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Axis Mundi - thanks! good to hear! hehe!
Now i havent read all your long posts but clearly in mokis opinion you do something to annoy. What that is i cant tell.. its between you and her.. she does a good share to try to annoy you as well...
and i should probably not interfere with this, hehe!
i think you are cool both of you..
But moki saying that some one is sexist and not providing the right facts for it is pretty dangerous..
by your definition
"it is sexist to follow me with complaining that i dont comment your posts detailed enough and thus i dont like you" i mean this is something i think anyone could do to anyone no matter gender..
this in my opinion is not sexism, maybe i missed something, i mean some women do their best to put men down, at least some women, they love to treat men like shit and tell them that they are sexistic when infact its them who are.. you see i think many women in the modern society have adopted the "bad guy" syndrome and they feel hurt and act like idiots them selfs...
So before you go and call some one sexistic maybe you should bring the right facts.
Sometimes i think women are trying to take away mans only pride and joy, to act on what he think is right, and not ask for permission, and i dont mean having sex with a women without here wanting.. no i mean, things like doing a fire, cleaning up the kitchen sewage! maybe its just my opinion, but i think its important for some men to act like a man... in other words taking care of business that needs to be done...
i wouldnt call my self a sexist though some women might and some women wouldnt.. and i think i would like those who didnt call me that better, and i think i would treat them with equal respect! i mean if they want to do something like that i wouldnt hinder them.. i dont mean that women cant do these things i just mean that if they dont why not let someone who wants and are willing to do it.. do it! instead of being rude and tell them that its their job to decide.. whats up with that really? its like saying i am the boss in this house and you do what i tell you to.. thats just silly
yeah well.. that my opinion.. call me what you want i try and treat women with respect and i want to be treated with respect as well..
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Freeflow
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Posted : Oct 12, 2009 02:18
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On 2009-10-12 01:47, Login wrote:
And about the religion talk around here, give me a break as ravers your only god must be Dionysus, and by his standars what FFF is not only right, but what everybody should do.
So go and fuck please
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Infront of crowd and getting money for it?
yeah well maybe, but i dont think so... but why not...im not against it!
If you are comfortable in "making love" and i mean emotional beautiful love infront of others i wont stop you, but you might feel a little vulnerable in that position. But fucking like a "man" is cool and good yeah? you know when you are taking care of business, plumbing the hole... haha
its strange how some men think its up to the women to give and caress... and i dont say that someone said this, but i believe some men act like this, and that its easy to do it like that.. with no emotion
fucking with no hands is just boring...
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Posted : Oct 12, 2009 02:37
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i understand your pint entirely, but that brings another question
Is love a necessary condition for good sex?
is empaty enought?
There can be peopple united by their love of sex rather by the one to each other?
Sex free of coercion and ideology isnt as good as free love?
why sex is always below love?
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Axis Mundi
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Posted : Oct 12, 2009 02:42
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But moki saying that some one is sexist and not providing the right facts for it is pretty dangerous..
by your definition
"it is sexist to follow me with complaining that i dont comment your posts detailed enough and thus i dont like you" i mean this is something i think anyone could do to anyone no matter gender..
this in my opinion is not sexism, maybe i missed something |
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No, Freeflow, you are absolutely right.
Now, Moki, here is YOUR lesson on sexism.
Try and follow along.
SEXISM
is
PREJUDICE or DISCRIMINATION
based upon
GENDER
That is to say...
If you were a MAN
I would still talk to you as if
you have no idea what the hell you are talking about!
Class dismissed. 
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Freeflow
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Posted : Oct 12, 2009 03:28
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On 2009-10-12 02:37, Login wrote:
i understand your pint entirely, but that brings another question
Is love a necessary condition for good sex?
is empaty enought?
There can be peopple united by their love of sex rather by the one to each other?
Sex free of coercion and ideology isnt as good as free love?
why sex is always below love?
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"Is love a necessary condition for good sex?
is empaty enought?"
No love is not a necessary condition for good sex, empaty is enough i think! but with love empathy is there.
maybe love has nothing to do with sex, and sex has nothing to do with love? or maybe they have much to do with eachother, Sex is one way of many of showing love, but its also one way of pleasing your self and someone else hopefully  . nothing more and nothing less. Oh and i forgot to make babies! and everything in between, it can be so much and have so many reasons.
Love is bigger and i must say i suffer from being able to completely love openhearted at times! if this means that we should share! that sex is nothing you can force a person that only you and that person have!
The love people share is something that shows in your act towards them, being kind, offering your helping hand when needed, that you dont judge a person too hard cause then you judge your self as well...
i am to blame for all of this! love is free but sex seems not to be sometimes... and sometimes maybe vice verse.
its very difficult i think, to learn to love free and set someone free! no matter whom they choose to have sex with or love!
though its not so nice to get STD and stuff like that, but there are protection and hopefully it works...
i am a bit confused on the term of monogamy and polygamy, maybe its a matter of setting your self free by setting others free, and it seems to be a struggle to some people cause the ego can get hurt.. maybe the ego and the love for someone else dont get along to well? 
And just a addon.. honesty in all forms is probably one big key for good relationships, be them sexual or not 
well this is just late night ramblings.. hehe
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Freeflow
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Posted : Oct 12, 2009 03:33
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But moki saying that some one is sexist and not providing the right facts for it is pretty dangerous..
by your definition
"it is sexist to follow me with complaining that i dont comment your posts detailed enough and thus i dont like you" i mean this is something i think anyone could do to anyone no matter gender..
this in my opinion is not sexism, maybe i missed something |
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No, Freeflow, you are absolutely right.
Now, Moki, here is YOUR lesson on sexism.
Try and follow along.
SEXISM
is
PREJUDICE or DISCRIMINATION
based upon
GENDER
That is to say...
If you were a MAN
I would still talk to you as if
you have no idea what the hell you are talking about!
Class dismissed.
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though i know im not the right person saying this(though who said that a hypocrite is wrong) but being able to be humble is also very good, even if moki really push your buttons you probably feel much better if you can be humble with her... and i know its not easy all the time, but as with everything we have to practice  i know i have to all the time, its not easy being humble with someone who is very offensive and aggressive..
cheers
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Pavel
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Posted : Oct 12, 2009 08:01
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On 2009-10-12 02:42, Axis Mundi wrote:
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But moki saying that some one is sexist and not providing the right facts for it is pretty dangerous..
by your definition
"it is sexist to follow me with complaining that i dont comment your posts detailed enough and thus i dont like you" i mean this is something i think anyone could do to anyone no matter gender..
this in my opinion is not sexism, maybe i missed something |
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No, Freeflow, you are absolutely right.
Now, Moki, here is YOUR lesson on sexism.
Try and follow along.
SEXISM
is
PREJUDICE or DISCRIMINATION
based upon
GENDER
That is to say...
If you were a MAN
I would still talk to you as if
you have no idea what the hell you are talking about!
Class dismissed.
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Now you are just being a racist! 
Everyone in the world is doing something without me |
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moki
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Posted : Oct 12, 2009 11:55
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On 2009-10-12 01:38, Login wrote:
Im also an anarchist but from the right side, an as a libertarian I believe that what FFF does is quite cool and it pushes tolerance one foot ahead, so everybody else can have a little more liberty in this fucked system.
Many of you have readed 1984 and Brave new world, do you remeber what was one of the things more twiked to maintain the system? Sexuality.
And thats because their autors know of the disruptive power love and sex have over external autority, thats is why major religions like to put limits all over it.
We as a society are in need to liberate sexuality, specially from where i come from. just last week in a state ultraconservative groups burned Public text books because they included sexual education. All over the country local congresses are passing antiabortion laws.
We need people like FFF who go to the other extreme and show us how it can be so free, joyfull and even help with other problems. These people are the ones who keep the balance pushing our tolerance one of step ahead.
Like it or not, all you people if you consider your a lover of freedom, must not only tolerate but help to protect this kind of expression, as you are tolerated by others.
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word! so nicely expressed opinion. it is great.
hey guys, mind if i copy paste a few opinions into a comment page on the website? or better not?
as far as axis is concerned: just leave me want you? no matter if i am male or female - the fact is that you bring to discussion facts about my sexual life that i dont wanna see in public. i dont fuck for forest in public, may be i used to undress myself for my vision but it is my private issue what i do in private , what messages i write, whom i meat, whatver. i would like to ask you politely just to stop first of all to lie ( because you DID block me after i wrote you three-four messages in myspace with absolutely no logical reason why you do this and even if you did, then just leave it, why do you vcontinue following me here too) , second after that you lied in isratrance that i continue writing + that you never blocked me. both are wrong. it is so lame, you cant even imagine. i saw that we were not friend any more in myspace after these three polite messages of mine that were considered boot licking. ut is fine. so just stop following me in every topic. it is discriminating because i am putting here themes on agenda , that need a public attention - and you follow me with messages, blocking , whatever it is - based on my sexuality in private. i never speak again to ppl who block me or whatever. the world is big enough.
it is sexist to write about this private story in public - you discriminate me and my sexual life. and yeah for sure, you would do it with a male like that calling him sweetie, "i dont like you but i find it cool that you answer bla bla bla". just leave me and it is good.
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Axis Mundi
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Posted : Oct 12, 2009 12:29
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Uhm, I've never said a single thing about your sexual life, and if you think I'm wrong, then quote me, and if you are correct then I'll shut up for good. (Even though "sexism" is about "gender", not about the physical act of love, so it's a moot point anyway.)
I did take you off of my friends list there, but I never blocked you.
I have been doing my best to stay on topic here, but you keep continuing to bring it up and talk about it instead of the on-topic information I am presenting. |
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TranceVisuals
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Posted : Oct 12, 2009 13:16
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"The Mass Psychology of Fascism", or "Invasion of Complusory Sex-Morality" are some of the finest works on this subject, by a certain W. Reich. Who had his books publically burnt in 1950's America by the authorities!!
And you thought book burnings only happened under Hitler!! (well not all of you, but you know what I mean) |
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Axis Mundi
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Posted : Oct 12, 2009 13:39
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On 2009-10-12 13:16, TranceVisuals wrote:
"The Mass Psychology of Fascism", or "Invasion of Complusory Sex-Morality" are some of the finest works on this subject, by a certain W. Reich. Who had his books publically burnt in 1950's America by the authorities!!
And you thought book burnings only happened under Hitler!! (well not all of you, but you know what I mean)
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I fully agree that these events is definitely one of the most blatant and tragic things to happen in the wide history of American censorship. There were many stories like this in the days of the "Red Scare" and McCarthyism in America, and it's really quite a shame.
The books were really quite pivotal and forward-thinking at the time, and due to the authors' background and the anti-communist paranoia circulating at the time (which were also quite unrelated to the themes of the works), he was persecuted, his works discredited and burned. It's really quite sad.
On a side note, what is known as the Reich-Einstein experiment is one whose results are certainly controversial and open to debate. Einstein said after his experiments that the orgone accumulator (based on the Faraday Cage) he built was affected heavily by outside air currents and convections and Einstein suggested to Reich to develop a more skeptical approach before beginning to use the invention in practical applications. However, due to the societal context at that time, no further experiments were seriously undertaken to either prove or debunk the theory, which leaves the whole theory behind the device hard to define scientifically and open to question and perhaps further analysis today.
If Reich were indeed correct, the findings would have been a massive breakthrough which could potentially revolutionize physics and societal/social structure around the world, but given the unfortunate history of the project, it remains a difficult subject without further experimentation and analysis. |
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moki
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Posted : Oct 12, 2009 15:10
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as a matter of fact i brough wilhelm reich to discussion in the interview as well. i just asked them if they see a connection to what happened to them in berlin/germany and the approach about fascism and the world wars. we brough wilhelm reich and erich fromm to discussion. but i censored it in the interview a bit, because i didnt want to offend germans - they are always so sensible about the wars. but i could put at least a sentence or two in the next episoded about it.
welhelm reich DID revolutionize social structures btw. it is the father of sexual revolution.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orgone
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TranceVisuals
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Posted : Oct 12, 2009 15:19
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His psychological work, and particularly the work on patriarchal and matriarchal societies, and the effect of refined sugar on their cultures is fascinating.
How would of thought, alcohol turns you into a misogynistic arsehole, who believes that not everyone is "equal!".
Reminds me of the description in the original "Food of the Gods" by Wasson et al, where they describe that cocaine abusing tribe. The men are so paranoid they make the women and children sit under the communal hut in the mud and squalor, as they think they are plotting against them....
The irony is magnificent imho. |
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moki
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Posted : Oct 12, 2009 15:44
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and last thing on the question about sexism, gender and equity. i am not gonna quote anything to prove it, axis mundi, cause we read enough about the story in many thread in isratrance now. i just point to the topic "how many copies did you sell". i find it abusively sexist to be discriminated in my work ( programming, websites, video ads and vj work or whatever) based on an argument about how i behaved in my sexual life. this is sexist. and it is discriminating because it wont happen to males.
and you dont need to shut up axis, continue talking with other freaks whereever you want, just dont disturb me with your sexist attitude pls. especially if you are on a demo exhibitionist trip - how cool, "i block you private but dont leave you breathe in public places". just go your way - i dont turn back to ppl who block me. keep a talk with other ppl please, not with me.
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