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braininavat
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Posted : Oct 10, 2009 21:14
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On 2009-10-10 13:33, Colin OOOD wrote:
Fuck For Forest - bringing new meaning to the expression "got wood?"
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Posted : Oct 10, 2009 21:28
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Fuck the Forest.
+ 1, let's make a party at aXis' forest :D
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Axis Mundi
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Posted : Oct 11, 2009 00:43
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On 2009-10-10 21:28, psytones wrote:
Fuck the Forest.
+ 1, let's make a party at aXis' forest 
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I'm not "aXis". Don't confuse me with that other guy who posts here, please. 
And yes, if it were feasible to expect to get a large enough crowd to such a far corner of the continent, then it could be arranged.  Of course, I'm thousands of km away right now, so it would be a huge stretch for me to consider.
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| i believe it is high time for you to realize that i am quite indifferent about you |
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Uh-huh. And you show that in every post you make where you single me out exclusively. Not that I don't expect it, because I do. It's a safe bet, and I'd buy stock in it if I could.
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| the land - well i am trying to buy a flat or a house now too, if i had a forest for 30000 euro, i would buy it immediately. |
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It's called a "down-payment", sweetie
(According to the wikipedia article on FFF, they have raised roughly $100,000 total in their efforts. If that number is inaccurate, maybe FFF should consider editing the article to represent the truth a bit better.)
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| some organizers pay one third of this only for one week of festival.... |
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That is called "making a profit". It's the basis for my idea as posted above.
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| i just wondered about this sacrifice isssue you are talking about. does everything in life has to be a sacrifice (( put yourself in front of the bulldozers instead of just enjoy life and help the forest?)...it is quite a christian approach. like this dude who was sent to the cross and was a hero for the sacrifice hundereds of years after that. |
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First of all, it's thousands of years, not just hundreds, according to the calendar.
Second, That's one analogy. Another would be that it's a lucrative business tactic. One could also say that any king who's waged a war makes a sacrifice in terms of resources (human and otherwise) in order to achieve a goal. Sacrifice is also widely used in games like chess, backgammon, and baseball. "Yajna" in Sanskrit translates to sacrifice, but also love, devotion, offering, worship, and other words. Sacrifice is also important in Celtic, Aztec, Norse, Hindu, Buddhist, Greek, Roman, Santeria, and many many other faiths and mythologies. Even gangsters in America pour some of their 40-oz on the ground in honor of their dead homies, an act showing the highest respect for that person, and that alone is a tradition which predates Jesus by a looooooooooooong shot.
The conclusion there is that sacrifice has been a powerful and effective concept in just about every culture around the WORLD, long before Jesus, and not limited to faiths, religions, and mythologies. The practice of sacrifice is found in the oldest human records and is still used in many aspects of society today.
It's no coincidence that the people who imply the most/greatest sacrifices are also the ones who get shit done and make an impact far more lasting than anyone else.
And you know what? The story of the Christ (whether he lived or not) had a lot of GREAT ideas, and to me is probably the single most important and redeeming thing ever to come out of Christianity. Either you agree, or you think concepts like loving your neighbor as you love yourself, throwing the money makers out of the church, and turning the other cheek (all ideas which involve some kind of sacrifice) are somehow bad things. Which is it?
So draw all the Jesus analogies you want... it was a lame-ass "straw man" you pulled out of your bum and built up just for you to knock back down. 
Xolvexs, I agree very strongly with what you are saying. While I strive to leave as little of an ecological footprint as possible, I recognize that the whole "save the planet" movement is hugely ego-driven also... George Carlin puts it best. he says something like, "Save the planet??? The planet has been around for 6 BILLION years, with life for hundreds of MILLIONS of years. When the planet is done with us, it will shake us off like a bad case of fleas, and guess what? Life WILL go on, and the planet WILL keep turning."
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| especially funny is if someone is shouting anarachy and is at the same time totally dependent on the support of the state or on the support of his capitalistically active wife. |
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While I agree with the first part of your sentence there, obviously you don't know what anarchy is either. Because I guarantee that if you find anarchy, you will also find horrifyingly abusive capitalism of people by people. (Why else do you think capitalists want government to stay OUT of business? To make it easier for them to make money by exploiting you!)
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moki
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Posted : Oct 11, 2009 01:56
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1. don't call me sweetie
2. i dont single you out, you single yourself out by yourself. as a matter of fact i dont even cover/read all your texts.
3. about jesus - i guess there are another more appropriate topics where you can share with us your view of christianity, i personally disqualified myself already with brother moses and the rule about having sex with the neighbour. but sure, jesus was a great guy , i was just joking about the dude who was sent to sacrifice for the sin of humanity. ( not that i am put an antichrist approach now)
but we had this theme so many times in isratrance, it is kind of a completed story. if you ask me, i would like to know why christianity never took nto consideration that jesus fucked maria magdalina. so many women had to die after that because of this fatal error of knowledge - they were thought to bewitch men and get the hell out of their testosterons.
4. the statement that i dont know what is anarchy - well may be give some background of the statement and tell us why i dont know it.
yes i find capitalism abusive too. as a matter of fact i find all systems abusive. but at the end of the day i now preferred not to be a victim of systems but just to use them. i dont fuck for forest but i put all my effort into doing other things for a forest.
cause an alternative village is my biggest dream. whatever. this is gonna be again turned out to a boring dialogue blue green.
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Axis Mundi
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Posted : Oct 11, 2009 02:51
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What's the point? You're not going to read it anyway. (Even though I don't like you either, I at least do you the courtesy of reading your entire posts including clicking on your links before I begin to talk about them.)
The fact that you refuse to comment upon most of the information I present in my posts leads me to think you're incapable of refuting them, i.e. can't come up with your own counter argument, thus you try attacking me personally. (Which is cool, I expect that from you and enjoy reading it.)
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| the land - well i am trying to buy a flat or a house now too, if i had a forest for 30000 euro, i would buy it immediately. just dont think your opinion is based on reality. |
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Out of personal curiosity, I did some quick online research on land prices in Europe.
Belogradchik, Bulgaria - 60,000 m2 (roughly 7.5 international-sized soccer fields) - 12,000 EUR
Belogradchik, Bulgaria - 45,000 m2 (roughly 5.6 soccer fields) - 17,100 EUR
http://www.vidinproperty.com/property-127.html
http://www.vidinproperty.com/property-72.html
Asau, Romania - 302 hectares (roughly 372 soccer fields) - 3,900 EUR (If you multiply that price by 10 to 39,000 EUR, to account for a possible typo, that's still 5x the land at only slightly higher price than the FFF Costa Rica purchase)
http://www.viviun.com/AD-114344/
Oliveira do Hospital, Portugal - 8,000 m2 (roughly 1 soccer field) - 18,000 EUR
http://www.properties-in-europe.com/listingview.php?listingID=221
Neochori Pelion Mountain, Greece - 5,000 m2 (over half a soccer field) - 46,000 EUR
http://www.properties-in-europe.com/listingview.php?listingID=266
Valencia Del Mombuey Badajoz, Spain - 11,000 m2 (1.5 soccer fields) - 22,000 EUR
http://www.viviun.com/AD-129195/
So yeah, I'm fairly certain my ideas are based somewhat in reality.
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TranceVisuals
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Posted : Oct 11, 2009 08:14
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I thought "anarchism" or "anarchy" simply meant
"rule without (CENTRAL) government", or at least that is the meaning we are taught over here at university on Politics Degrees. And that is commonly how the term is applied over here in the UK, amongst the left/socialist movement (of which I have been a part for twenty years).
One of the best "descriptions" of anarchism I have read, that doesn't fall into the trap of equating it with "violence and the breakdown of the social order" is Ursula La Guin's "The Dispossessed". |
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moki
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Posted : Oct 11, 2009 12:11
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i wonder when will be the time when someone here will tell you to slow up a bit axis mundi. i see only one person who is getting personal in my discussion again.
i dont refuse to comment you even after 10 posts where i had to read that you dont like me.. but nevertheless you find it cool that i answer you.
i comment enough on you - i did not read any rules on signing in isratrance that i am obliged to comment every single post on someone who is everywhere where i write, in order to keep peaceful interraction in the community.
i commented enough on jesus , especially in other topics. and my lifetime is too short to repeat. i would like to keep on topic here, especially because we are in a topic that was started by myself.
as far as your "facts" are concerned - i neither think it is objective nor something worth commening. but let me just mention that sacrifice was not the virtue of all heros of humanity. the greek culture for instance, which is considered the most important place of birth of philosophy and mathematics, was based on hedonism. and many ancient cultures were based on hedonism and really respected love and sex. but anyway, i am kind of too tired to answer every single post out of a good manner. i am not obliged to comment.
the properties- yeah the first one, i was there last summer in another alternative village that i friend of minde bought. but as a matter of fact i meant places in west europe. and if i am gonna move to the east, i will buy a land outside of europe. which is something that might pretty well happen this winter. besided i meant a real forest. a nice big forest with old trees. not deserted lands. another thing - i actually own land and a house exactly there where you point me to. but it is not my place. so i wanna exchange.
but i will check the spain thing, thanks. and now continue with the personal attack, which i am unfortunately very uninterested to read. and btw i havent started to be personal with even slightly. strange that you dont see it. i am personally indifferent about you. but if you call sb an idiot - you will also get the proper answer and attitude and it will be pretty hard to ever get out of this attitude.. btw i am more polite to you than you deserve.
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Freeflow
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Posted : Oct 11, 2009 18:40
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On 2009-10-10 12:16, Xolvexs wrote:
i dont see the relation between you satisfying your desires and saving a forests...yes you may be able to raise money, but if money could solve all the ecological problems we would not have ecological problems in the first place. i mean there already is enough awareness about the need for forests..what there isn't is the will to reduce consumption..how do u force people to reduce something like consumption? its like telling people to stop breathing for day...impossible, like it or not we will consume no matter what...people will still raise cattle, grow food and the fact that the population is rising these activities are only bound to increase. Even clean-technology will require you to "REPLACE" which is just a better word for consumption.
I think its merely a hype that the world is dying...its just another way to extend the life of the industrial revolution which is on its tail-end...and how do you extend it? tell people to change the petrol car to electronic and invest in solar instead of oil...the end result is still a big fukin 0...the fear mongrels are those who do not have faith in the ability of mother earth to restore herself...we add the human element of time and thats how the world comes to an end like it did on 31 Dec 1999 the Y2k...gosh i think its the same shit all over again...you cant save your own ass if you are attacked by a lion in the forest, how do u expect someone to believe that you can save? Again the concept of saving is human...saving taxes, saving lives, savings account, saving...its ridiculous... the universe is about abundance and there is abundance...the problem is the thought...since humans are the only ones capable of thinking beyond..they feel and fear something they cannot control.
And that feeling of fear and inadequacy my friend is what consumption is and the world runs on it. Its just access and control of resources. you may call it politics or you may call it fuck for forest...its all going nowhere...just relax and enjoy the show of nature...a few tornadoes, a few tsunamis a few dead people, its been happening all the time, just because u realized it now doesnt mean you can stop it...Nature is not like a car nor is it like an air-conditioner...its just keeps flowing. and how ever hard you try it will overpower you just acknowledge that you are just a dust particle in nature's way. forget about all the promises and fear you are being sold...just wash your face and consider yourself as a part of nature.
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Best post ever!
Though it would be nice if we could make us humans better and nicer in some way!
even if we are just dust particles in the universe... |
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Freeflow
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Posted : Oct 11, 2009 18:57
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Axis Mundi  Moki.Time.Wave.Zero
You two are real sweethearts i can tell!
you remind me of me and my Ex but a little less violent.... and i came to a conclusion i cant have anything to do with her cause it all goes the same way!
So maybe you guys should stop it cause even if you both think you bring good info to the table it wont be interpret the way it should, and all the in baked sarcasm and shit will also hinder the communication...
And Moki you clearly tell that you dont even read what Axis Mundi writes, so your problem must be elsewhere? hmm hehe
cheers
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moki
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Posted : Oct 11, 2009 21:42
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of course i read what is written in the topic i have opened cause i have started it myself and took responsibility for it. i just dont read what he write around especially because i could use a tape instead - we all know his story of how i licked his boots or wahtever i licked and how he blocked me because of a myspace bug. he told us this story in 4 different threads. pur sexism here. can i please exist without discussions of what i lick?
whatever, dont know why it needs to be said in this topics also. isnt it enough really. write on fuck for forest an anarchy instead. axis still has a chance to discuss privately but this forum exhibistionism is totally out of fashion now. not even funny.
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Freeflow
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Posted : Oct 11, 2009 22:26
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On 2009-10-11 21:42, Moki.Time.Wave.Zero wrote:
of course i read what is written in the topic i have opened cause i have started it myself and took responsibility for it. i just dont read what he write around especially because i could use a tape instead - we all know his story of how i licked his boots or wahtever i licked and how he blocked me because of a myspace bug. he told us this story in 4 different threads. pur sexism here. can i please exist without discussions of what i lick?
whatever, dont know why it needs to be said in this topics also. isnt it enough really. write on fuck for forest an anarchy instead. axis still has a chance to discuss privately but this forum exhibistionism is totally out of fashion now. not even funny.
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i dont even think about that story, i read it in one of your posts to be honest and then he said it was a expression for http://www.thefreedictionary.com/bootlicking
This thread is not only about FFF its about everything around it and about your video..(which i havent watched cause i dont have that kind of internet connection right now)so there will be sexism and peoples views on this...
and to be totally honest i think exhibitionism is one thing you do a lot moki, maybe i do to! im not the one to tell.. but i do post a lot.
I even think that most members of FFF are exhibitionists.. in the sexual manner..
nothing wrong with that, so dont take me wrong, but exhibitionism will never be out of fashion, its a way of being until you get it sorted.. for some it might be a problem for some it might not.. im not really into the psychological aspect of it
Peace!
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Axis Mundi
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Posted : Oct 11, 2009 22:55
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Posting a lot on a topic you are interested in isn't exhibitionism, necessarily, Freeflow. Perhaps compulsively posting off-topic posts in every topic in a forum is, or frequently starting wild, outlandish topics designed to get attention would be, but you don't do either. I don't think you have to worry about that, Freeflow.
As far as sexism, I am scratching my head trying to figure out what I said that can be taken as "sexist", especially in this thread. If any third party could offer their opinions on that, I'd appreciate it. As far as I know I have not had said anything insulting about the female gender compared to the male gender whatsoever.
As far as the "story" goes, first, I've already said that she never was blocked; I already said that was a tactic I used to get Moki to stop writing me there. Since the issue was resolved I haven't had anything to say about it such as in this thread until she brought it up. If she is sick of discussing it then she should stop bringing it up in the topic in the first place, like in this thread, for example.
I've already said my piece in this thread and I'm doing my best to keep from getting off topic, so I'm bowing out for now until the discussion gets back on track.
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moki
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Posted : Oct 12, 2009 00:35
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you dont know what is sexist?
i will tell you what is sexist.
we have a lesson of sexism this night.
it is sexist to follow me with complaining that i dont comment your posts detailed enough and thus i dont like you. i am not in any way obliged to spend time on commenting to show sympathy. i open a topic, discussed with a fiew ppl what they think, thanks a lot btw for this discussion, and of course at the end we end up in nothing. but lets just move on with our lives now. can we.
anyway wrote many times the sentence and then deleted it, just because i am really tired of this topic. it is just boring me. what had to be said, is said.
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right . i am sorry.
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Im also an anarchist but from the right side, an as a libertarian I believe that what FFF does is quite cool and it pushes tolerance one foot ahead, so everybody else can have a little more liberty in this fucked system.
Many of you have readed 1984 and Brave new world, do you remeber what was one of the things more twiked to maintain the system? Sexuality.
And thats because their autors know of the disruptive power love and sex have over external autority, thats is why major religions like to put limits all over it.
We as a society are in need to liberate sexuality, specially from where i come from. just last week in a state ultraconservative groups burned Public text books because they included sexual education. All over the country local congresses are passing antiabortion laws.
We need people like FFF who go to the other extreme and show us how it can be so free, joyfull and even help with other problems. These people are the ones who keep the balance pushing our tolerance one of step ahead.
Like it or not, all you people if you consider your a lover of freedom, must not only tolerate but help to protect this kind of expression, as you are tolerated by others.
I dont agree with what you think, but i will protect your right to do it with my life.
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