Analog VS digital (its that time of the year again)
braininavat
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Posted : Feb 11, 2010 16:30
I think people get carried away when it comes to these type of sounds for digital vs analog...These are the exact type of sounds people have spent years trying to recreate in digital so its pretty close.
There are other analog sounds that just not there in digital because no one has bothered to try to recreate them.
Check out the lead in Process and Tristan Kv23 that comes in at 3 minutes...if you tried to make that with a digital synth it would be quite obvious what is what. The lead is surely from Process's analog modular.
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Posted : Feb 11, 2010 16:33
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Posted : Feb 11, 2010 16:43
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On 2010-02-11 16:30, braininavat wrote:
I think people get carried away when it comes to these type of sounds for digital vs analog...These are the exact type of sounds people have spent years trying to recreate in digital so its pretty close.
There are other analog sounds that just not there in digital because no one has bothered to try to recreate them.
Check out the lead in Process and Tristan Kv23 that comes in at 3 minutes...if you tried to make that with a digital synth it would be quite obvious what is what. The lead is surely from Process's analog modular.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SeP9wNF-UTk&feature=PlayList&p=030AAEC2AE591657&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=28
lol thanks for the track,tottaly forgot that vinyl, about analog vs digital they both sound good cause we don t have money, we would be rich with a analog studio yeah digital would sux a bit more but as lazy as we are we might still use the digital emulations that sound 90% like the real thing but just miss the 10% that does it all,10% + 10% +10% in a full track its huge and it s just for processing, synthesis it s a different world, digital is good at sounding digital, analog at sounding analog...
listen to this http://www.schippmann-music.com/downloads/Drum_Session_5.mp3 , a drum loop made on a digital drum machine run thought a analog filter, first you have the drum loop dry, enjoy ! try to macth that with fabfilter or soundtoys hehe
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Posted : Feb 11, 2010 17:22
the analog magic is gone once we listen to a file tho..
A total analog source (instrument or synth)
B total analog recordings (recording the electric pulse - not reproduce it by preferences and programing)
C total analog listening (vinyl or cassette)
and then just then MAYBE you can hear the warmth and the perfect *reproduction* of analog gear
*reproduction is actualy only happens in digital , EVERY digital media is beeing played from your computer (or stereo) by reading DATA from the FILE on the CD (or simply file - you know those 0001110001010)....
what happens in vinyl is that the needle is actualy RECORDING the electric pulse and then your player READ the SAME electric pulse from the studio
anywayz with the high levels of digital gear today plus the fact EVERYONE listen on digital gear it doesnt matter anymore. hardware digital still sounds better then VST tho , not a must by theory but proven in reality.
you might be able to hear the moog power but once it recorded to wav in theory you could do this on VST but the reality is that also doesnt happen very fast
btw on my poor laptop speakers i think BASS 2 is the ANALOG , if only for the little latency that i think there is there.. sounds less tight and more alive (i like it better anyways regardless to the source)www.sattelbattle.com http://yoavweinberg.weebly.com/
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Posted : Feb 11, 2010 18:39
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To me #2 clearly sounds better.
It has more controlled envelopes it seems and #1 is somehow ringing a bit at low freqs, making it a bit muddy.
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Hard to tell since they sound quite different and it depends on the patch a lot. But since I tend to find it easier to get good results with digital for basses myself I would put down #1 as analogue and #2 as digital.
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Posted : Feb 11, 2010 19:20
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On 2010-02-11 15:03, A.Rosengren wrote:
Number 1 is better, and it wouldn't suprise me if #2 is the analog synth!
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Posted : Feb 11, 2010 19:55
Interesting how very different people percieve which one is better... to me #2 clearly has more bounce and flow whereas #1 sounds a bit forced/artificial.
I guess that's the magic of music and taste right there, innit
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Posted : Feb 11, 2010 22:00
Well, whichever is which, I think we've established that it isn't clear to a lot of people!
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Posted : Feb 11, 2010 22:15
i say 2nd bass is analog and i prefer it.
braininavat
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Posted : Feb 12, 2010 06:51
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On 2010-02-11 17:22, Elad wrote:
the analog magic is gone once we listen to a file tho..
hardware digital still sounds better then VST tho , not a must by theory but proven in reality.
I disagree the analog magic is gone just when you listen to a file. A good example of analog synths for psytrance type sounds is old Front Line Assembly stuff, even though its industrial. There are some wicked sounds on FLA's early work and he was almost all analog. The sounds that stand out though are never just a saw with a low pass filter bassline.. People have spent years modelling that sound and thats why its 99.9% accurate.
Ive really come to the point of believing all that is missing from VST is a DAC plugin that emulates DACs of different bit depths.
A good example is Chameleon
http://www.chameleon.synth.net/english/index.shtml
The stuff for that is all amateur programmers, but it sounds "hardware" because its going through a hardware DAC.
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Posted : Feb 12, 2010 07:24
Needs more pew-pew-lasers
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Posted : Feb 12, 2010 15:19
Soo which is which? Also this track is great.........
I don't know which is analog and which is digital but I find #1 more pleasing, a little less precise.
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Posted : Feb 12, 2010 16:55
Interesting to hear different opinions.
Bassline 1 is the Mini
Bassline 2 is the ES1
I am copying along the midi file for both channels as I move along the track, so that I can have both mixes at the end.
There is some strange out of tune, ringing in the ES1, notched out about 350Hz and there is some strange but nice sub groove, although it was a bit too much so I up the high pass and gave it a less steep slope that was also making the subs around the cut off frequency ring.
For the time being I am writing the tune along with the minimoog bassline. did a gentle roll in the low end as it was "chocking" the mix a bit. Gonna carry on making the tune and get back to sorting out the fine details when I properly mix the tune down.
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Posted : Feb 12, 2010 17:12
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On 2010-02-11 17:22, Elad wrote:
the analog magic is gone once we listen to a file tho..
I disagree. Take the 303 square wave for example, its almost like two half cycles of saws, where one is phase inverted. That gives a very special sound, your soundcard and audio package will record and play back that unique square.
Generally all the imperfections of analog gear are captured in the ADC, its not exactly the same when you simply monitor your analog gear through an analog desk, but even when you record the part in the DAW, the sound is there.
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(i like it better anyways regardless to the source)
