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UnderTow
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Posted : Apr 16, 2006 16:57
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Talk is cheap, lets move on to some action.
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On 2006-04-16 09:15, 5Meo-Geo wrote:
well no doubt man but play them moog or tb303 bassline and they will jump even higher 
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Ok, as you are so sure it makes such a huge difference, I have a little challenge for you.
Here is something I am working on:
http://home.casema.nl/ajohnston/Loki-MD86.mp3
(Not properly mixed or mastered yet as it isn't finished). Some of the sounds are from analogue synths, some from digital synths and some from VSTs. Now, tell me, which sounds are analogue, digital or VST.
It should be a really easy exercise for your golden ears.
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5Meo-Geo
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Posted : Apr 16, 2006 17:25
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digital and vst is same league for me
frm 1st listening its souds all digital exept of few background sounds and arp after break
 Jesus didnt dance,but his beat goes on
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UnderTow
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Posted : Apr 16, 2006 18:11
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Which background sounds?
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undertones
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Posted : Apr 16, 2006 18:44
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On 2006-04-16 11:15, 5Meo-Geo wrote:
undertones plz read the thread from begining
ive pointed few times that im not analog freak and use 99% digital/soft equipment
my "obsession" is about the sound quality.....
i hear what sounds good and whats sounds 'plastic' and i want my music to sound good
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its not the moog or tb303 or nord or any vst but what you are able to make with them that make people jump. he means it at a creative, not technical level.
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yes and no
i can make ppl jump even with 8bit atari and tracker
but there will always be some smartass that will come and complain about "sound quality" even that crowd jumping
btw have u made any music in ur life ?
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hmmm....the obsession bit wasnt for you, it was for top down...read before you think.
if you can make people jump with an atari and tracker, that proves yuli's point...think before you speak.
finally, let your music speak for you!
http://www.myspace.com/hari003
my music....hope you enjoy it : )
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undertones
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Posted : Apr 16, 2006 19:11
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On 2006-04-16 13:37, TopDown wrote:
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On 2006-04-16 10:49, undertones wrote:
...top down...
1. ur obsession with analog sound astounds me. i would love to see your complete analog studio with analog tape recording systems and tape delays and what have you making psytrance....
2. only bats, dolphins and some other fish can hear 120000htz i think ur talking about bias frequency, where a frequency around that region is sent to the tape while recording to achieve a better frequency response, amongst other things....
3. you need to do some reading..
4. i think you and undertow should open a school for electronic music together...u make a good team!
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1. I'd love to see it too ...
My analog equipment concludes only the power switch on the PC. For me this topic was pure theoretic, the luxury of analog sound is still very low in my priorities.
2. From all 3 tons of nonscence I wrote here you dig only this innocent misstype ?
3. I did some and after did some more. You should do some yourself! Very helpfull - widens your horizons and shows new perspectives. You also train yourself to spot the important from the less and not just jump to react on every single misstype.
4. in edjucation it is called "scaling" (derived from "scale"), older student acts as a younger ones teacher.
I think it was Einstein or some other smart folk, that saied : "I learned much more while being a lector than a student."
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mate, take it as a learning experience. people correct me all the time in the forum...thats one of the ways to widen ur horizons, as you call it.
i dont understand how innocent misstypes can be very helpful..either you know something, or you dont. if you dont, you find a way of knowing it.
if i were you, id rather read 3 tons of sense than write 3 tons of nonsense!
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peace..
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Pavel
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Posted : Apr 16, 2006 19:21
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My dad always taught me to shut up when i'm not certain in something with 100%. I rarely follow his advice but sometimes i really do. For instance, i never believe when someone tells me "hey it's analog amplifier, it's A-class, it's really good and it's better than this Solid State Logic amplifier or whatever". Until i hear them both and the difference between them i doubt this assumption, even if it came from someone i trust.
Same with those Pultec EQ's or Neve Pre-amps or whatever components. I heard them. I heard them against Digital Mackie pre-amps and EQ's on D8B console. I, personally, couldn't hear much of a difference. I can hardly hear how bad Behringer mixers are (well they are mostly very bad).
The point is, you can be anal as you wish with analog vs digital. But please, first hear it, some of this equipment is very hard to come by these days before you go rabid on public forums with half baked arguments and ultra bat frequency responses.
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TopDown
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Posted : Apr 17, 2006 01:48
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How hard was is to understand there were 3 zeros too much in stereo cassette frequency response ? I was well aware pointing that it is mostly theoretic gonna get me crussified here ...
The thing is it is different from trivia, ppl wont just sit and try to spot analog/digital parts in your music. It is all about overall impression it makes. One analog EQ in fully digital studio wouldn't matter that much...
Look, me not having a beutifull girlfriend doesn't make me not recognize a good lookin woman on the street ... Don't just get pissed there is better equipment that you can't buy or work with.
And what exactly didn't I read about digitally produced sound being as or more natural than analog ?
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UnderTow
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Posted : Apr 17, 2006 01:57
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On 2006-04-16 17:25, 5Meo-Geo wrote:
digital and vst is same league for me
frm 1st listening its souds all digital exept of few background sounds and arp after break
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So, I guess it isn't that easy afterall ...
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undertones
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Posted : Apr 17, 2006 04:23
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On 2006-04-17 01:48, TopDown wrote:
How hard was is to understand there were 3 zeros too much in stereo cassette frequency response ?
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wrong again top down!
seriously mate, try googling it. |
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5Meo-Geo
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Posted : Apr 17, 2006 10:18
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aaaaaaaahhhh!!!!!!!!!!1
forget it dude!!!!
u won!!!!
u have bigger balls!!!!!
digital sounds better than analog
and Virus is ultimate-best-sounding synth ull ever use for make "VIRTUAL-ANALOG" psytrance!!!!
VIVA LA DIGITAL SOUND QUALITY!!!!!
Jesus didnt dance,but his beat goes on
http://www.myspace.com/5me0ge0
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Elad
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Posted : Apr 17, 2006 11:39
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i guess 99% of the peaple cannot realy hear the diffrence unless its in their own studio made by them. surely not the regular untrained ear.
and about placebo's.. i know some dude thought the nord is analog and he could realy hear the diffrence until i showd him its 24bit synth  so it is exist for sure.. (when i was kid i also gave someone to smoke stupid leaf and he got high.. ) so surely it happenz
btw - bob moog rip gave his name and signature to the moog vst's (after changing some parameters) so i trust that it sounds ok. he refused many offers like that before.
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Pavel
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Posted : Apr 17, 2006 11:43
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In the army i gave a guy Acamol and told him that it's E.
He believed it.
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TopDown
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Posted : Apr 17, 2006 12:07
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On 2006-04-17 11:39, tsabeat wrote:
i guess 99% of the peaple cannot realy hear the diffrence unless its in their own studio made by them. surely not the regular untrained ear...
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My contra-guess is %99 of all ppl will enjoy more reacting to anlog made music (controlling production skills, lets say only top notch producers only) in pretty normal audio setup.
I don't talk about recognising the source ...
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If that makes thing much clearer :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compact_audio_cassette#Noise_reduction_and_fidelity |
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Pavel
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Posted : Apr 17, 2006 12:12
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Very wise. So people will enjoy more analog generated music (made by professionals). Wow, so the water is really wet there isn't it?
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5Meo-Geo
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Posted : Apr 17, 2006 12:52
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some pro guitarists can hear difference between tube distortion and transistor distortions
now this is realy way smaller difference in sound than difference between digi and analog
but it is placebo ...as some here said before... so screw them pro guitarists
pothead psytrance artists must know better than them Jesus didnt dance,but his beat goes on
http://www.myspace.com/5me0ge0
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