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Prahlad
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Posted : Apr 18, 2006 16:28
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14-year old e-tard
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Posted : Apr 18, 2006 17:58
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On 2006-04-18 16:28, l337 wrote:
.....name your favourite SA artist ....and they would have used VB 1 at some tim eor another or still is using VB1....
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There's not one SA artist (from the ones I've heard at least, which include Protoculture, Rinkadink, Broken Toy...etc), that I like. Don't have anything against them, just don't like their music at all. I appreciate Protoculture's mixing skills, but the patches sound way too plastiky and cheesy...to me at least.
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On 2006-04-18 16:28, Prahlad wrote:
Hi 14
that was exactly my point...most people know how a VB 1 sounds, but most floors in the world spent a disproportionate amount of time dancing to his tracks that year....not because his bass was sooooo Phatt, but because the tracks were so great! Get my drift?
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Of course. The actual "music" is a different issue. But I thought we were talking about the (perceived) quality of synth patches anyway?
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undertones
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Posted : Apr 20, 2006 19:40
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On 2006-04-18 16:28, Prahlad wrote:
Hi 14
that was exactly my point...most people know how a VB 1 sounds, but most floors in the world spent a disproportionate amount of time dancing to his tracks that year....not because his bass was sooooo Phatt, but because the tracks were so great! Get my drift?
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disproportionate? please explain. |
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5Meo-Geo
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Posted : Apr 21, 2006 10:55
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14-year old e-tard exactly hit the point
word dude
ppl got used to plastik sound...
as for any artist that (still) preform live...
try this little less than 500$ trick....
get novation superbass rack and dbx 266
bot r not 1st class analog eqipment and will cost ya less than 500$ for sure
chain all ur bassline sequence to nova and nova to dbx and dbx to mixer
and just check reviews of the crowd/ur fellas-artists after that....
Jesus didnt dance,but his beat goes on
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e-motion
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Posted : Apr 21, 2006 13:48
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there are more than thousands of artists with great basslines but less than 20 with great music.
i don't think the portuguese crowd would give importance to analog vs digital sound quality. if sound engineers can't hear the difference... if even you who claim analog is much better than digital can't hear the difference... do you think a crazy drugged crowd will?
lol...
people you worry too much about production quality... try to fill your production time with making good music. this is ruining psy.
it's not analog or digital that matters... it's that note OR that note.
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Pavel
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Posted : Apr 21, 2006 13:50
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I'm sorry 5Meo-Geo but personally i don't make music to satisfy anybody but myself. I played a bit with the Novation Rack and i prefer the VST.
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undertones
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Posted : Apr 22, 2006 07:27
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On 2006-04-21 13:48, e-motion wrote:
lol...
people you worry too much about production quality... try to fill your production time with making good music. this is ruining psy.
it's not analog or digital that matters... it's that note OR that note.
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i dont understand how thriving towards better production is ruining psy. i think good production forms the basis of dance music. how else do you make a kick and bssline jump in constant harmony?
there are musical styles like minimal techy/glitchy house, which are minimal in terms of sounds yet, very full, fat and groovy because of good production.
the "this note or that note" theory was formulated in the gregorian days, back in the middle ages. here is an example:
http://www.empire.k12.ca.us/capistrano/Mike/capmusic/medieval/Gregorian%20Chant.mid
things have come a long way since then, my friend : ) |
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e-motion
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Posted : Apr 22, 2006 16:28
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so production wise you're top notch and music wise you're still in the middle age? that's bad. or maybe you produce techno. there is no theory for that note or that note... only experience and dedication. if for you it's only a theory... again, you produce techno.
music theory only shows you the way... but you're the one that has to go along 
i produce psychedelic trance not anything minimal. also music wise not only means notes but also arrangement, ideas, and everything else. that's what makes good music.
and yeah i say too much worry for good production and too few for good music ruins psy... you have a good example... hommega rec. also with many artists that were my favorites and now they have better production and worst music. but this is a personal thingie but i think much more agree with this. |
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Yuli
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Posted : Apr 22, 2006 17:49
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I agree with e-motion, that what I tried to say basically that digital vs. analogue, all those numbers and debates make ppl forget we are talking about music. Killer production will never be a substitute for killer music - ofcourse when both music and production are excellent it is the top for any musician... But try to listen for Moksha Live in Goa Gajah released on POF records somewhere around 1997 --> The production quality is far from being good, actually it is pretty bad yeah  but the musik oh the musik, the feel the emotions and the idea throughout the tracks are amazing and totally unique.. So who cares analogue vs digital / progressive vs full on - Make good music, that will be enough!
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5Meo-Geo
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Posted : Apr 22, 2006 19:02
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yuli thats true
content always more important than envelope
but in today world there is alot of audioPhooles that wouldnt care of the content if the envelope is not crystal shining....(and ive faced that kind of issues no once... i spend on mix close to 0 time amouth....yes i prefer to stay musician than soundman...and yet i sucsess to inspire some big artists in genre im in to with my music while fullon/dark artists friends come to me with comments like "the sound is shity" without noticing the music itself at all)
psytrance creations valued by its sound quality today and u already should of notice that...and here e-motion is 100% right....it ruined the whole genre...
u can create clasical creation music wise and yet noone will value it if the sound work is avarage-minus
Jesus didnt dance,but his beat goes on
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Sound Surgeon
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Posted : Apr 22, 2006 19:17
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Todays music is going on CDs if it has good sound on super duper monitors, lack of ideas is nothing to worry about. Psy is valued tooooo much by sound, old psy which has not so good sound eats todays "gems" without any problems.
Too much music is released => its not the quantitiy, its the quality!
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Trip-
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Posted : Apr 22, 2006 20:59
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That can only mean that people can 'eat' anything if it was wrapped in a very nice way... or am I really off here?
aren't we a bit off the topic again ?
Crackling universes dive into their own neverending crackle...
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UnderTow
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Posted : Apr 22, 2006 22:53
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Would you eat caviar if it was wrapped in shit? Lol.
Errr ... what was the topic again?
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Yuli
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Posted : Apr 23, 2006 03:41
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On 2006-04-22 19:02, 5Meo-Geo wrote:
yuli thats true
content always more important than envelope
but in today world there is alot of audioPhooles that wouldnt care of the content if the envelope is not crystal shining....(and ive faced that kind of issues no once... i spend on mix close to 0 time amouth....yes i prefer to stay musician than soundman...and yet i sucsess to inspire some big artists in genre im in to with my music while fullon/dark artists friends come to me with comments like "the sound is shity" without noticing the music itself at all)
psytrance creations valued by its sound quality today and u already should of notice that...and here e-motion is 100% right....it ruined the whole genre...
u can create clasical creation music wise and yet noone will value it if the sound work is avarage-minus
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Well man ofcourse I am aware of the scene and of what most of it consumes.. I dont give a flying #$%^ about that to tell u the truth, I made my decision long time ago and I chose music.. Ofcourse I give extra time to production cuz it is very important, but the most important is idea and implemetation of it. If sometime I feel that my idea / implementation may 'ruin' the crispy sound then either I find a way to make both and if I cant then the idea goes first. If all of us say big no to copy catting then our scene will grow and prosper.
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PoM
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Posted : Apr 23, 2006 15:17
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But try to listen for Moksha Live in Goa Gajah released on POF records somewhere around 1997 --> The production quality is far from being good, actually it is pretty bad yeah but the musik oh the musik, the feel the emotions and the idea throughout the tracks are amazing and totally unique.. So who cares analogue vs digital / progressive vs full on - Make good music, that will be enough!
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hehe moksha,this one was good yes, i agree who care analog vs digital but for me the music was a lot more emotional and good for the brain when the only computer used was a atari. |
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