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Ambient mastering, whom would you choose to do it?
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Upavas
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Posted : Mar 25, 2010 03:15:55
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andrew interchill
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Posted : Mar 25, 2010 07:37
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Huby Sea ? works on Ultimae releases
Glenn Schick does good work too - certainly not too loud. |
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ambientium
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Posted : Mar 25, 2010 08:56
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Yeah, Huby Sea and Vincent Villuis are excellent. In my opinion they give the sound a very special atmospheric and dreamy touch. If I had enough resources, I would choose them.
I can also recommend Christopher Leary ( http://ochremusic.com/mastering/ - it's guy behind excellent idm project Ochre, and mastered Planet Boelex's album Little World with Lisa's antenna which is freely available from here: http://planet.boelex.org/)
And, you can give a listen to VA Carving Mirages on Chillbase.org (discussed here on another thread and available from here: http://www.archive.org/details/ChillbasicsVol.1) which was mastered by Matous Godik ( http://www.zka4t.com ) who mastered not only albums of Floex and Mythematica...
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Luca@BlueHourSounds
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Posted : Mar 25, 2010 11:03
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Let me spend some credits for Vincent Villuis at Ultimae studio please!
He just mastered our forthcoming Made of Dawn, soon to be released
(http://forum.isratrance.com/blue-hour-sounds-made-of-dawn-chapter-1-coming-soon/).
Besides the really good work, it was the first time for me
to have such an available person to work together. Neverending patience brought the compilation to be something special.
He showed skills especially about fitting artists together,
even if some of them are pure electronic musicians
and others more instrumental.
I'm very happy of the resultation, and to work with him is completely easy and open.
I'll knock at his door in the future as well!
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Bodhisattva
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Posted : Mar 25, 2010 15:20
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I agree, definitely Huby Sea and Vincent Villuis.
and also Yaniv Shulman the brilliant man from Shulman and Aleph Zero. |
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andrew interchill
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Posted : Mar 25, 2010 18:11
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Yes Yaniv does great work too...
The attention to detail and patience you're talking of Luca is worth a lot - that is a good reference
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shahar
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Posted : Mar 25, 2010 20:44
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I'll also add Ido Ophir & Yaniv Goldfarb of Domestic studios. Amazing studio and excellent ears, and always very happy to master downtempo stuff.
http://www.myspace.com/domestic-studios
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MARGHERITA
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Posted : Mar 28, 2010 15:35
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http://mauxuam.net/mauxlog/2009/08/mastering-is-killing-music/
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On 2010-03-14 05:14, xuam wrote:
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On 2010-03-02 20:37, andrew interchill wrote:
re mau and vice versa - we paid for him to fly from Italy to London and attend the session because we wanted his ears and opinions in the room. He approved the master we went into production with. Now he feels it is too loud. if he felt so at the time then he did not do anything to correct it.
if you read the article he posted the basic gist of it is that loud mastering with overcompression and loss of dynamic range is killing music. but that does not make such a catchy title.
you are right that it is a really interesting article - and it underlines just how subjective a process this can be. not all mastering engineers will give the same result. indeed - if you're interested you can give the same track to different people and then compare the results and choose the one you prefer to go on and master your album.
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cheers Andrew...alla salute...
oh well...yes...I went to the mastering studio...you payed my flight (tnx)...and it was all good in front of the monstrous massively expensive speakers of mr Blackman (who btw seemed to be bored and never smiled once during the all process...probably worried about some bills he needed to pay or some girlfriend who dumped him the night b4)...BUT:.....when I listen to the final result on some speakers affordable to the rest of human kind and finally did a A/B test with some time and patience (that you never have in a studio that cost 150£ an hour or more) or I played the album on bigger soundsystems...I realized that the mastering session was not so great...and if we want to get technical mr Blackman used a very slow release on the compressor that killed the attack of the transients...(sorry to be so techy)...and pushed too much the low end (because this is what he is famous for)....
I repeat it...mastering is killing music...very often it does that...and I prefer the umastered version of viceversa....raw..cheaper and more real...sorry bout that...
for those who are interested go and read this article by mr Monolake who didn't use any compression in the mastering of his last album "Silence":
http://www.monolake.de/interviews/mastering.html
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MARGHERITA
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Posted : Mar 28, 2010 15:59
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btw,
me like to work with jake perrine for organic sounds, pretty cool work ,,,
for peak records he did "organika" "tranchillizer" and "hippies with gadgets"
i'm very happy with him..
ultimae team "for my taste" look much better when you whant a deeper and colder sound ....
they did for us (voie sensible) a very good work on this album http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/voiesensible2
tim shultz is crap, i dont recomend,, i listen many albums mastered from him , and is not nice....
mauxuam did also a very good job on Hoehle "the bottomless pitt"
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maux
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Posted : Mar 28, 2010 16:05
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talking about mastering this days is a bit like talking about sport cars...many talk about it but not many ever drove them.
I think that not many ppl actually understand what is this process about...and honestly it took me many years and many sessions to get a grip...and still...mmm...not so sure about it.
I reckon that label managers are probably the most ignorant in the matter....they usually only care about the loudness and the glossyness.
I did few mastering sessions with some of the "masters" of this job....this is my direct experience :
with Kevin Metcalfe (when he was still working @ the Abbey rd studios)...and he was really really kind...very professional...but also very concerned about remastering a Queen album after my session...not very impressed.
@ the Exchange studios...(where they master Bjork, Massive Attack, Oasis to name a few)...great vibe...huge tannoy speakers...VERY LOUD...VERY DEEP...lots of analog gear...and some secret boxes...smoked many joints on their sofa...reccomended.
with Howie Weinberg in NY....(Prince, Nirvana, Rage against the machine and so many others)...he masters totally drunk...with lots of coke up in the nose...passes all the shit into a 2 track analog tape with the levels in red...he is a great character...umbelieveble results...he played me the pre master of the first Nirvana album and it was shite....he is the best for LOUD and GRUNGY..mmmaybe not the best for chill out...ehehehehe....
as you read : Dave Blackman at Hilton Grove...boring...not good, no patience, no attention to details...not good for my sound anyway.
I recently started to do some mastering for Bakshish music...since we can't afford a real mastering...
I do what I can and the best I can...I takes me a lot of time...and I often do it again..and they pay me nothing...the Hoehle guys have been really happy...
my next "job" will be to master the new greg album Future Dust...big responsability!
(but also easy...his mixes already sound very good)
my 2 cents
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Luca@BlueHourSounds
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Posted : Mar 28, 2010 16:08
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I reckon that label managers are probably the most ignorant in the matter....they usually only care about the loudness and the glossyness.
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Agree with it!
I'm the example here.. but i'm trying my best to understand and learn.
So far i can say that there are plenty of artists
that need a better structure for their
music before sending anything to a studio.
Also, compilations are a different thing compared to albums..
To fit together more artists sometimes seems to be such a mission.
I had the luck to work, or to speak with people that is into this topic since years;
Moreno is one of them..
Many points of view, many results, and now i have a better vision of the whole issue.
I think that people like Master Margherita, with proper studio equipment, doesn't need much work
to release proper music.
Because artists like this knows how they want their music to sound like.
but many are following tips or friends suggestions that are not fitting with the music they do,
but maybe just with some MARGINAL RULES they read somewhere.
For this people studio has to do the interesting magic.. Aes Dana is a good one,
because he's flexible, even if he's signed as 'the deep and intense one'!
Label manager are ingnorant.. but they can improve!
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PoM
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Posted : Mar 28, 2010 16:26
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no personal experience but from what i heard i like the sound :
Domestic
Wired Masters
Sonic Vista Studios
Frederick Ali Talaa
(would probably ask to Fred or Wired Masters if i had some tracks to masters)
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maux
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Posted : Mar 28, 2010 16:31
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On 2010-03-28 16:08, Luca@BlueHourSounds wrote:
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I reckon that label managers are probably the most ignorant in the matter....they usually only care about the loudness and the glossyness.
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Agree with it!
I'm the example here.. but i'm trying my best to understand and learn.
So far i can say that there are plenty of artists
that need a better structure for their
music before sending anything to a studio.
Also, compilations are a different thing compared to albums..
To fit together more artists sometimes seems to be such a mission.
I had the luck to work, or to speak with people that is into this topic since years;
Moreno is one of them..
Many points of view, many results, and now i have a better vision of the whole issue.
I think that people like Master Margherita, with proper studio equipment, doesn't need much work
to release proper music.
Because artists like this knows how they want their music to sound like.
but many are following tips or friends suggestions that are not fitting with the music they do,
but maybe just with some MARGINAL RULES they read somewhere.
For this people studio has to do the interesting magic.. Aes Dana is a good one,
because he's flexible, even if he's signed as 'the deep and intense one'!
Label manager are ingnorant.. but they can improve!
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mmm....you are a very uncommon label manager infact...good luck...it's full of sharks out there
I agree...a compilation is a hard task.
and yes...some mixes really need to be fixed in the mastering...not everyone can afford to mix in a soundproof studio with good speakers...
but at the end of the day...attention, care, and good intention can give better results than expensive gear and famous firms who have too many jobs in their schedule.
it must be said that many of modern productions are kind of premastered during the production process...I usually group tracks in buffers...and kind of master them...often instruments are compressed and eq together to "melt" in the final soup...
loud is bad...and the internet/myspace age is a killer for quality.
let the listener pump up the volume if he wishes.
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Aes Dana
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Posted : Mar 28, 2010 18:29
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Hello everyone,
That's a really interesting topic. First, I would like to thank you for your kind words and reports about Huby's job or mine.
I would like to mention there are various way to do a "mastering" and the most difficult thing is to understand the kind of "sound" the artist exactly expects. Every artist thinks differently and have a personal vision of audio spectrum including level, eq, stereo imaging...In my opinion the audio mastering main goal is to feel these deep expectations and try to bring satisfaction after the treatments. Technical blabla is not the key. Studio environment, ears, concentration and a knowledge of the stuff you manipulate are the only important things for me. Analog or digital masterings? Both can be great or a disaster. Give an SSL console to a chicken and the result will be bad : ) Huby is more Protools oriented and I am into TC 6000.
I would like to underline the great jobs by Jake Perrine and also (less known in this scene),APK (Anthony Paul Kerby) from Circular ruins, really good for electronica IDM stuff.
Kisses from France
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psyfactor
psyfactor
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Posted : Mar 28, 2010 23:32
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in my opinion all thing strictly depend on musician(music producer)
if he do bad mix by channels or do more compression by himself or other sound distortion by any fx's, bad monitors and else... no any mastering by any best master-man will not help to this kind of musician)))
well in other way when Tim Schuldt made mastering for Endless Universe album (ambient) i havnt heard any real changes before the master and after (really disliked)
my new quasiambient album "Futurised" mastered by Vincent Villuis and he did the best what it possibly could be with my not really good quality sound mixing, now it sounds great, but it might sounding much better if i looked up to my music more carefuly to each sound) thats why lots of things in mastering depend on music producer first
  http://www.myspace.com/psyfactor666
Psyfactor - Futurised (ambient album) OUT NOW!!!
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