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~d2~
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Posted : Mar 31, 2009 17:15
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Is that a 4/4 structure? Have I heard that kick before? Have I heard effects like that before? Vocal sample? has that been done before? Funky interlude? No song has had that before?
Sorry Ascension epic fail.  |
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Nectarios
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Posted : Mar 31, 2009 17:18
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Ascension
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Posted : Mar 31, 2009 17:21
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On 2009-03-31 17:15, ~d2~ wrote:
Is that a 4/4 structure? Have I heard that kick before? Have I heard effects like that before? Vocal sample? has that been done before? Funky interlude? No song has had that before?
Sorry Ascension epic fail.
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Then give me an example of something similar to it. You somehow keep completely missing my point I've reiterated about 10 times in this thread. http://soundcloud.com/ascensionsound
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~d2~
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Posted : Mar 31, 2009 17:26
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Just type psy trance into you tube.
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Ascension
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Posted : Mar 31, 2009 17:29
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Elad
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Posted : Mar 31, 2009 17:44
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On 2009-03-31 15:11, Ascension wrote:
when I hear a track with a cookie cutter (aka not original) piano lead and 5 other generic sounds being praised as a great track, it makes me scratch my head.
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what would the jazz musician say also compare to the highlight of any psytrance.. not even single change in the rythms or scales 99% of the songs
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~d2~
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Posted : Mar 31, 2009 17:52
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On 2009-03-31 17:29, Ascension wrote:
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On 2009-03-31 17:26, ~d2~ wrote:
Just type psy trance into you tube.
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Thank you for proving my point. 
It's easy to say something, but not so easy to back it up.
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I am not the one who started the thread!!! I am not making any wild claims that one genre is better or more original or less basic than another.
Music is either good or bad...and that is a matter of personal preference and varies wildly from person to person. Can you not accept that others don't share your view and that you may be bias? I know I am bias. I know I can't escape it.
I know some people also thing that psy-trance is basic. |
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Djones
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Posted : Mar 31, 2009 19:21
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On 2009-03-31 16:45, ~d2~ wrote: Most people I have played psy trance to who have not been into it think it all sounds the same!!!!
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Everything you have no knowledge about, appears to be the same.
People who aren't into Classical, Metal or Hiphop are very likely to say it all sounds the same.
(all Chinese sounds the same to me )
It's just you the interpreter who decides how far into the subject you want to look and find litle details, other people don't know about.
If I would play two versions of the same classical composition back to back, played by different pianist, most people will think that are just minor differences between the two playing syles, that is if they are able to tell the differences.
But, to others who really dig deep into it, those minor detail differences are gigantic.
Sorry If I've driven off a bit.
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Djones
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Posted : Mar 31, 2009 19:52
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On 2009-03-31 19:21, Djones wrote:
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On 2009-03-31 16:45, ~d2~ wrote: Most people I have played psy trance to who have not been into it think it all sounds the same!!!!
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Everything you have no knowledge about, appears to be the same.
People who aren't into Classical, Metal or Hiphop are very likely to say it all sounds the same.
(all Chinese sounds the same to me )
It's just you the interpreter who decides how far into the subject you want to look and find litle details, other people don't know about.
If I would play two versions of the same classical composition back to back, played by different pianist, most people will think that are just minor differences between the two playing syles, that is if they are able to tell the differences.
But, to others who really dig deep into it, those minor detail differences are gigantic.
Please delete!
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~d2~
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Posted : Mar 31, 2009 19:56
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No need to be sorry, I think that your comments are at the heart of the issue and similar to my point.
When you are passionate about a style then you tend to look at it under a microscope. Small things seem bigger.
Over the years I have followed many genres of dance music. Usually only focusing on one at a time, or at least one style with more passion. That has probably been due to the fact that, to me at that time, the style was fresh. To others though that may not be the case.
Someone new to Psy-trance might find it more fresh sounding at the moment than someone who has followed it for over a decade. They could be listening to mainly the same records, but their own experience will effect their perception.
I am now in my 30's and tend not to follow one style so strongly anymore. Maybe that is because I have started to get into producing my own music. I am not too sure to the exact reasons. But I enjoy the diversity I now have in my life.
Although I don't completely agree with Ascension, He has brought up an interesting topic.
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psylevation
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Posted : Apr 1, 2009 05:18
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Some of the most powerful melodies I've heard are very simple. There is a time, place, and person for all types of music and I think that they are all just as valid.
I sometimes like to write other styles of music to get away from the complexity. When I get too stress out because it's so complex I write something basic and simple to get back into just having fun writing music.
The less sounds you have in a song the more they can stand out and the larger they can be, so in and of themselves individual sounds in a sparse track can be more complex, it's just how you look at it.
I personally get tired of just psytrance and need other avenues to pursue sometimes. I just want to make music and if that fits in a genre or if it's complex or simple I could care less.
I just like writing music, period. ~Airyck~
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klippel
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Posted : Apr 2, 2009 11:40
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when we define a music genre, we have to use certain criteria to determine if something fits into this genre or not.
so all psy trance tracks should share some common denominators.. hence all tracks of a genre somehow relate to each other, of course with floating borders to neighbouring styles.. you will always find repeating patterns in every style.
so minimal tracks will sound "the same" somehow, but so will psy tracks..
to the question of "intelligence" within one style i can only support medeas well said words. dive deep into one style and you will explore a variety from very boring to very complex in the specifics styles boundaries..
personally i get bored of minimal after a while, but heard and played it for years in the mid ninetys and still like it. and it can be veeeeeeery nice and complex too, just on a more subtle level than trance but still as magic.. nailing a track to such a sweet "simple" spot is pretty damn hard work!
about psy trance. i must say there is TONS of CRAP out there.
a lot of full on is so repetitive and boring, simple cheesy melodies and boring and annoying leads.. it sucks BIG time. a lot of the progressive has become so fuckin minimal and boring its not even making me move anymore..
BUT theres is still very inspiring and music with that special vibe in it and thats where i agree with the topic starter: well made psy trance is the shit for me, beats anything (dance music wise)
but again, that´s simply a matter of taste.. and should not be a judgement of other genres
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Zoopy
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Posted : Apr 4, 2009 06:25
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Texas Faggott.
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