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Posted : Mar 31, 2009 10:49
ask classic piano player if psytrance is really anything more..
and that would be silly too.. to ask pianist about music that the sound structure is the point
in techno and prog its more about the sound design , and u cant say psy is doing THAT any better , probably worse if anything.www.sattelbattle.com http://yoavweinberg.weebly.com/
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Posted : Mar 31, 2009 15:11
I guess I should reiterate one of my points that drove this post.
I know that prog/house/techno CAN be complex, but when I hear a track with a cookie cutter (aka not original) piano lead and 5 other generic sounds being praised as a great track, it makes me scratch my head. I don't see many simple psy tracks being praised as such. Most people rip apart 95% of psy anyway, maybe that's just the nature of the listeners.
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Posted : Mar 31, 2009 15:57
You are comparing apples and oranges.
Some people just don't like busy arrangements, synth lines upon synthlines, walls of noise and 500 odd bars of glitch, and like the subtle, intricate changes that occour in techno tunes with the space that the more minimal arrangements, provide.
Its all a matter of taste.
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Posted : Mar 31, 2009 16:03
Techno can have some seriously cool poly-rhythms going on.
And what about the old saying "less is more"
But Ascension how can you claim that most people rip apart 95% of psy? Can you post a link of the survey?
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Posted : Mar 31, 2009 16:05
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Posted : Mar 31, 2009 16:29
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On 2009-03-31 16:03, ~d2~ wrote:
Techno can have some seriously cool poly-rhythms going on.
And what about the old saying "less is more"
But Ascension how can you claim that most people rip apart 95% of psy? Can you post a link of the survey?
Just what I've seen. I also used the term "rip apart" a bit losely. I should have said critisized.
I think you guys keep missing the point I keep reverting back to. I am not saying that other genres are bad or boring, but that I find it confusing that people can think these simple tracks I have heard recently made up of nothing special are something great. Deadmau5 is a good current example of what I'm talking about. He has a number of tracks I enjoy, but he also has some very cookie cutter sounding ones that people are like "OMFG this is awesome" and I don't think they're anything special.http://soundcloud.com/ascensionsound www.chilluminati.org - Midwest based psytrance group
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Posted : Mar 31, 2009 16:35
But can you really speak for others? Or even a few others and then project that to cover more people?
Maybe those tracks are great to them? What makes for a great track is always going to be subjective.
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Posted : Mar 31, 2009 16:40
I'm not trying to speak for others, I'm simply expressing my feeling towards other genres. I guess I shouldn't be surprised since people love listening to the same stuff on the radio over and over again. I just crave originality.
For instance, who hasn't heard this structure a million times:
It's a neat track, but I just don't get how this can be praised as highly as it is. It's nothing new or original.
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Posted : Mar 31, 2009 16:58
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On 2009-03-31 16:45, ~d2~ wrote:
Someone else can do the same for psy or any genre. Most people I have played psy trance to who have not been into it think it all sounds the same!!!!
Originality will mean different things to different people.
Post a clip up of some "original" Psy-Trance.
There's a difference between something sounding the same and being unoriginal. I know that deadmau5 track sounds different than other prog tracks, but I recognize the unoriginality in its structure and melody (that's the cookie cutter term I've been using). Don't confuse this with using a similar track structure like intro, build, main, break, outro or w/e. I just don't like the fact that I can find a lot prog tracks that are structured and sounding so closely to that one and see people praising them.
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Posted : Mar 31, 2009 17:00
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On 2009-03-31 16:57, Medea wrote:
Btw, about "less is more".
I highly recommend listen to tracks of these guys:
Alexi Delano
Tony Rohr
Once again, this is not about there being less going in the track (I like a lot of prog and minimal sounding music), it's more about the fact that producers are using similar parts over and over again.
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Posted : Mar 31, 2009 17:03
I still would like to hear some original psy-trance tracks.
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Posted : Mar 31, 2009 17:07
Happy? (even though I know you won't say it's original)
It's a neat track, but I just don't get how this can be praised as highly as it is. It's nothing new or original.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to be negative here, I'm just trying to gain perspective on this matter.
Don't forget that a lot (most?) people that go out to party, don't want to listen to odd things that are different for the sake of being different. They just want to go out hear slamming tunes and have a good time.
Simple as that.
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