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djzed
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Posted : Sep 21, 2006 04:35
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On 2006-09-20 21:26, piXan wrote:
So its not about the time or the money (equipment)
Simply some people are more gifted than others, and can do with less time and less money what some peoplw will never do anytime with any amount of gear. Sure thats hard thing to accept for some people.
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I don't entirely agree. I think yes some people are more naturally gifted than others, but I think it's more about committment and effort than "giftedness".
How committed are you to making music and improving your skills and your knowledge?
Are you prepared to learn as much as you can about music? Are you prepared to learn music theory, study harmony and counterpoint, learn about the history of music, learn an instrument, learn every concept of audio engineering, study all the production tricks, understand how your favourite artists have managed to get the results they do, try and network with good artists to learn as much as you can from them, experiment with hundreds of different ways of doing things?
Or are you just going to sit down at your computer, unfocused, doing whatever you feel like, thinking you are the most innovative artist in the world?
It's about a journey of self-improvement and the ones who succeed and innovate are the ones who are committed to the path. Doesn't matter how "natural" you are. |
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Freeflow
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Posted : Sep 22, 2006 12:26
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djzed - i agree..
hard work usually pay off.. 
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assaf_zo
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Posted : Sep 22, 2006 14:09
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unless ur hugh hafner...
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Dharma Lab
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Posted : Sep 22, 2006 19:25
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Always amused when this argument comes up. It's been going on probably since the birth of art. One thing which I often see overlooked, particularly when discussing mimicing, is intent. I believe our intentions play a huge role in the long-term outcome of our actions. I'll let those who are interested ponder that one for a bit & see what comes back before elaborating....
Does anyone else believe that art is process, not product? I'll take it one step farther, and say that it is the physical, mental, & spiritual process. With this in mind, can you ever really copy someone's art....I would say no. You can, however, attempt to copy their work of art. Will it lead to innovation? I don't know, you may have to evaluate that in a case by case basis.
I do have to say that stopping to dance to your music now & then is a neat idea to maintain perspective, get outside of your head for a bit, and get back to being human.
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assaf_zo
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Posted : Sep 22, 2006 21:29
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attempt to copy their work of art. Will it lead to innovation... i think its another tool of many u can lay on
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piXan
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Posted : Sep 23, 2006 01:36
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On 2006-09-20 21:26, piXan wrote:
So its not about the time or the money (equipment)
Simply some people are more gifted than others, and can do with less time and less money what some peoplw will never do anytime with any amount of gear. Sure thats hard thing to accept for some people.
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I don't entirely agree. I think yes some people are more naturally gifted than others, but I think it's more about committment and effort than "giftedness".
How committed are you to making music and improving your skills and your knowledge?
Are you prepared to learn as much as you can about music? Are you prepared to learn music theory, study harmony and counterpoint, learn about the history of music, learn an instrument, learn every concept of audio engineering, study all the production tricks, understand how your favourite artists have managed to get the results they do, try and network with good artists to learn as much as you can from them, experiment with hundreds of different ways of doing things?
Or are you just going to sit down at your computer, unfocused, doing whatever you feel like, thinking you are the most innovative artist in the world?
It's about a journey of self-improvement and the ones who succeed and innovate are the ones who are committed to the path. Doesn't matter how "natural" you are.
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well i also dont agree enterely with this. Although i think that hard work and studying music theory and about all the technical aspect of audio, is a very helpful thing (I try to read the most i can and have always found it the most interesting topic, to the point of always regret not studying it properly: like an audio engineer), i dont think thats the only path to creation of music. Ive seen and read about people that have a more intuitive approach to art , (after all music is art, not science, at least to me) These people may have never ever heard about a prygian scale or the concept of a scale in itself, but they are playing it! And I dont think is something exceptional and only for "genious" or "gifted". Its just simply that each brain is different, structurally and mostly funcionally. Today is a valid theory the one that talks about multiple intelligences, which are independent to each other, and are prefectly related to some zones of the brain. The aspects you are talking about all belong to the rational brain, which works basically only on the left hemispherea nd has nothing "artistic" about it. There is not where creativity resides. So basically, all the theory and training will sure help you write music as you will know the strutural and technical side of it. But that wont assure in any way that you will create something beyond that what uve learned. To be creative its proven that many areas of the brain have to be interconnected simoultaneously, but most is located in the right side of the brain. Some say that if u focus on the left side (rational) side of the brain, it may make access to creativity harder, as the brain is shaped by the interconnection of the neurons. SO although it can be seen as something genetic it also means that you can be able to "shape" ur own brain in order to break some structures. In the future with the aid of techniques like neurofeedback (bassically visual feedback of the brain responses to events) will be as helpful or even more than studying theory or technique of music or audio, in the issue of creativity, which is only what im talking about here. In the meantime we can try with deep insights, trascendental meditation or psychedelics to break the structured brain and rewire!!
just kidin say no to drugs!!
And hope i made some sense, although all of these are facts taken from neuroscience.
Cheers.
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Freeflow
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Posted : Sep 23, 2006 01:58
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piXan - thats interesting indeed
when i juggle with left hand i get better in organizing things.... but am i stimulating the left side of the brain or the right side? hmm
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djzed
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Posted : Sep 23, 2006 09:47
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i love this thread - so controversial |
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assaf_zo
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Posted : Sep 23, 2006 19:12
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yeah WW-III style !! BOMB THE BRIDGES
BOMB ALL STRUCTURES hehehe
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the daleks
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Posted : Sep 25, 2006 06:51
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On 2006-09-25 06:51, the daleks wrote:
Simply some people are more gifted than others, and can do with less time and less money what some peoplw will never do anytime with any amount of gear. Sure thats hard thing to accept for some people.
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i think its clearly a function of how much 'free' time one has. having to work/make a living while honing your hobby to a craft takes a slower approach to someone living at their parents house and spending 14 hours a day nibbling out ideas. not that living at your parents house is wrong, (hey I think about going back pretty seriously from time to time, even though I'm 34..) but definitely important to realistically understanding the 'whiz kid' phenomenon
secondly, there was a comment about intentions here. i think thats the crux. if you have some stupid idea to bite someones tune, and make a million, then yeah, bad intention. clearly, though it is important to study forms, and learn from others (are you so great that you can be an island?? - then you run the risk of being isolated also). an essential part of the learning process is to learn what elements make up an organization that defines a genre or style, then to innovate upon that.
i think some people just misunderstand the intention here, or maybe saw it the wrong way. most mature people have the right intention with something
just my 2 cents worth
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